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Old 2 Mar 2020, 09:20 (Ref:3960960)   #676
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John I ignore if your planed a visit to one of the most relaxed and sympathetic classic show in Reims said Salon Champenois du véhicule d'époque, but because of the coronatrucmuche dates have changed, 7 March becomes 9 May. Even the sales of a famous mexican beer are going down. Crazy planet!
No, no plans to do Reims but will be going to Antwerp this weekend.
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Old 2 Mar 2020, 09:33 (Ref:3960962)   #677
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I wonder what surprise Alfa Romeo will be announcing at 4.30 this afternoon?
Could be the Giulia GTA.
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Old 2 Mar 2020, 09:42 (Ref:3960965)   #678
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Could be the Giulia GTA.
That's the hot rumour but somebody at the factory told me to expect a surprise, so who knows?

Just so long as it is not electric!
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Old 2 Mar 2020, 09:43 (Ref:3960966)   #679
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A new Copa de Europa with GTA's?
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Old 2 Mar 2020, 09:47 (Ref:3960967)   #680
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A new Copa de Europa with GTA's?
Now that would be fun!

Gerard, did you see the cycle racing from Berlin. I was amused by what appeared to be a postman's bike acting as 'pace bike'!

I went to that velodrome 20 years ago for an Audi pre LM press do. And yes, an R8 was driven round the velodrome.
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That Copa de Europe with those cars would be a nice idea, although unlikely to happen.

I did see a bit of the cycle race, but didn't notice any pace bike.

Interesting they chose that venue for an Audi launch all those years ago, but I can see why. How did the Audi cope with the velodrome?
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Old 2 Mar 2020, 10:06 (Ref:3960978)   #682
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That Copa de Europe with those cars would be a nice idea, although unlikely to happen.

I did see a bit of the cycle race, but didn't notice any pace bike. There was a short sprint race with half a dozen girls in & he led them round on the first lap. I know nothing about that particular sport but he looked quite strange sitting upright on a bright yellow bike, just like a French postman.

Interesting they chose that venue for an Audi launch all those years ago, but I can see why. How did the Audi cope with the velodrome?
It was strange, & it wasn't even the main launch, just to announce the third driver or something. The car coped remarkably well & seemed quite quick although in reality probably wasn't. The velodrome seems to have changed very little - we ate dinner in the centre.

Re the Giulia's, they must have a lot of unsold cars so a race series but might be a good idea.
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Old 2 Mar 2020, 12:02 (Ref:3961001)   #683
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I did see a bit of the cycle race, but didn't notice any pace bike.
Cycle race? It was the track cycling championships with multiple disciplines. The one with a pace bike is called the ‘Keirin’. The pace motorcycle is the ‘derney’. Used to be two-stroke but believe electric now.....

Quick explanation... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU0QGFAAsHw
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Yes, but road conditions and traffic weren’t quite as challenging then. OK, the odd horse and cart......
I think they were worse when I took my test, 1973, just as much traffic and I used to **** myself at a couple of roundabouts near me until I'd built up confidence, took about half an hour
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I think you mean DERNY, named from its french inventor, Roger Derny. The activity stopped in '58. Always ahead with a Derny… obviously!
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The new Alfa Giulia GTa looks gorgeous. No mention of a race series...

And no, I can't afford one.
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I think you mean DERNY, named from its french inventor, Roger Derny. The activity stopped in '58. Always ahead with a Derny… obviously!
To the uninitiated, Derny riders look a bit comical. They are often ex-professional cyclists who have become - err - well-nourished in their retirement. They also often ride with a "knees out" and "elbows-out" style to create a better slipstream for the racers.

Some of the more distinctive ones are minor stars in their own right...
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I think you mean DERNY, named from its french inventor, Roger Derny. The activity stopped in '58. Always ahead with a Derny… obviously!
Please allow me the occasional spelling mistake, Gerard!

Not sure what you mean by ‘the activity stopped in ‘58’, the Derny is still very much in use for pacing....

Agree, Alan, about some of the Derny riders!
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C'on Mike, no worry, just take the smile, you support -well, most of time- my pigeon English without mentioning it.
Alan well nourished or because they stop certain kind of food? Fascinating to see how many jobs ex-pros are offered, not only as team managers but telly commentators and… car drivers! Not many as riders afaik.
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Yes I think the production of the real ones stopped around the sixties. May be Derny became a common appellation -éponyme, like bic for a pencil or frigidaire for a fridge or zodiac for an inflatable boat/doll- !
They make some money, around 3k £ and I'd like Alan to explain what is the position of both riders on a tandem!!!
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