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Old 25 Apr 2017, 20:11 (Ref:3729183)   #376
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I see only negatives if Honda is in receipt of a competitors help.For one thing it is a public acknowledgement of employing a team of engine developers who are not much good compared to the opposition.It also gives said rival the opportunity to market themselves as being so good that Honda had to come to them for help.Which company comes out of this situation looking best?

Is there an independent specialist with the level of expertise to help the project?We have had stories of Mario Ilien being used as an external consultant with the current generation of engines.Could there be other options too?Two or three current engines given to a discreet consultancy with a blank cheque might be a less conspicuous way to make progress and obviously they ought to maintain a parallel company programme?

I wouldn't expect McLaren to have any quibble with the need to modify the packaging of the car if performance follows on.They certainly need to do something to add to the trophy collection if they are to avoid the fate of other formerly great teams like Cooper,BRM,Brabham,Alfa Romeo,Lotus and Tyrrell.
From a PR point of view, I don't see how Mercedes helping Honda can be good for Honda. Then again it's probably only die hard fans who are really interested in the finer details of motorsport. The casual fan, probably isn't interested, which is why they are casual fans in the first place, along with your average motorist. Still I think it's a bit of a gamble.

How long does this current engine/PU spec have to run?

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Old 25 Apr 2017, 20:25 (Ref:3729185)   #377
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Autosport- http://www.autosport.com/news/report...8400e-36366415

Note the headline says Merc 'could' assist, so still speculation- probably! Some interesting snippets of info, though.....
Unfortunately, I can't read that as I've run out of my free views of Autosport this month. Maybe I should subscribe?
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Old 25 Apr 2017, 20:30 (Ref:3729186)   #378
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Unfortunately, I can't read that as I've run out of my free views of Autosport this month. Maybe I should subscribe?
Apologies- I guess I haven't run out of free views!

I don't seem to be able to copy and paste from this device. I'll try from a laptop in the morning......l
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Apologies- I guess I haven't run out of free views!

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Thanks but no need, I went to sister publication motorsport.com and they have it.
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Old 25 Apr 2017, 20:46 (Ref:3729191)   #380
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The current engine rules run to 2020 with the new ones due to start in 2021.
I suspect if Mercedes helping Honda out might have something to do with building long term alliances with the future regs. Mercedes might want to have the next power units something similar to what is there at the moment.
Of the manufacturers involved now I suspect Honda would have most to gain from a major regulation change.
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That Autosport article is all over the place and seems a bit of an echo chamber of rumors that have been floating around. Nothing definitive.

I still doubt the entire "Mercedes" part, but I suspect that there may be some nugget of truth to this entire topic. Enough that all sides may claim "they were right". I expect what is going on is that Honda is open to outside ideas and actively seeking help. But IMHO, it's likely that it may come from various independent consultants (i.e. Mario Illien, etc.) or industry players (i.e. Mahle, Bosch, etc.) and not other manufactures.

I don't want to rehash much of the arguments from above. In general I think it would be a huge mess with respect to protecting "secret sauce" on both sides. IMHO, Honda comes out the looser in this long term if they partner up with someone like Mercedes.

We will just have to wait and see what happens.

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Old 25 Apr 2017, 22:25 (Ref:3729198)   #382
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20 million to supply 2014/15 technology. Why wouldn't Merc do it???
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20 million to supply 2014/15 technology. Why wouldn't Merc do it???
Would Honda want to pay 20 million for Mercedes' hand me downs from 2014/15?
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Old 26 Apr 2017, 01:27 (Ref:3729215)   #384
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Be cheaper than anything else they have done...
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McLaren are to get a reliability update for the Russian GP. I hope it works.

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Will it be slower... less revs, less boost, less electrical harvesting...
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Will it be slower... less revs, less boost, less electrical harvesting...
But it should give them pointers in what direction to go.
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They've already got hope from the Bahrain test, hopefully the reliability update will help them further
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Will it be slower... less revs, less boost, less electrical harvesting...
Based upon the article and the Bahrain test results, this should improve performance and not go in the other direction.

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So, is it confirmed now that McLaren get Mercedes engines and Sauber get Honda ones?
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So, is it confirmed now that McLaren get Mercedes engines and Sauber get Honda ones?
Where did you get that from?
McClaren still performing dismally today in quali..
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