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Old 1 Aug 2019, 00:49 (Ref:3920605)   #1026
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Brought this up in another thread, but the top speed of the Ginetta at the prologue was very impressive. 305-310+kmh regularly in the speed traps. Not just 20kmh faster than Toyota, but also 5-10kmh faster than Rebellion. And this is supposedly their high-downforce package. They'll be super fast come Fuji and Shanghai and especially Le Mans.
I wonder what the actual power output is from that AER? Could it actually be overperforming?
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Old 1 Aug 2019, 06:35 (Ref:3920620)   #1027
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Well we know that Toyota previously have done testing in a more "un-restricted" form. So why not Ginetta?
What I fear most for, is the reliability.
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Old 1 Aug 2019, 11:46 (Ref:3920648)   #1028
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Ginetta are looking good so far, so that's encouraging, just need good reliability to back it up
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Old 1 Aug 2019, 13:33 (Ref:3920666)   #1029
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Well we know that Toyota previously have done testing in a more "un-restricted" form. So why not Ginetta?
What I fear most for, is the reliability.
They have been doing some testing, but you have to wonder over the long races what will happen? At least the engine seems to be a strong point now instead of a cause for concern. I'm optimistic they can take on Rebellion, and be around if a Toyota has an issue.
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I'm just pleased they've stuck with it.
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Well we know that Toyota previously have done testing in a more "un-restricted" form. So why not Ginetta?
What I fear most for, is the reliability.
Don't see the gain in doing that, unless they're struggling to find a team to run the cars. But from the articles out there from DSC to Racer.com that's not the case.
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They have been doing some testing, but you have to wonder over the long races what will happen? At least the engine seems to be a strong point now instead of a cause for concern. I'm optimistic they can take on Rebellion, and be around if a Toyota has an issue.
I really hope for a good battle between Rebellion and Ginetta and yes, the engine seems reliable now, but let us not forget the issues that Rebellion had and the massive influence that a chassis' limitations can have to engine reliability (cooling comes to mind)
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Don't see the gain in doing that, unless they're struggling to find a team to run the cars. But from the articles out there from DSC to Racer.com that's not the case.
I can only think of minor benefits, which would be better simulated by other means (higher stress on the engine for reliability eg.), but there must be some gain in it, if Toyota also do it from time to time.
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Old 2 Aug 2019, 06:43 (Ref:3920775)   #1033
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I really hope for a good battle between Rebellion and Ginetta and yes, the engine seems reliable now, but let us not forget the issues that Rebellion had and the massive influence that a chassis' limitations can have to engine reliability (cooling comes to mind)

I can only think of minor benefits, which would be better simulated by other means (higher stress on the engine for reliability eg.), but there must be some gain in it, if Toyota also do it from time to time.
Simulated stress is no match for real-world testing. That's why everyone goes and drives around Sebring as much as they can, rather than just sticking the car on a shaker rig and calling it a day.
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Simulated stress is no match for real-world testing. That's why everyone goes and drives around Sebring as much as they can, rather than just sticking the car on a shaker rig and calling it a day.
Sebrings tests the rigidity of the car more than the engines reliability.
The scenario that I can think of when running an unrestricted engine at Paul Richard is higher temperatures in weather combined with a higher output will heat stress the components to a higher degree.
However it is easy to test this in a restricted fashion, by simply reduce the air-cooling with equal lessening amount, which would also simulate the effect of rubber build up in the radiators - an aspect often forgotten for new manufactures (not saying that Ginetta have forgotten this, but we seen it with Audi, Pescarolo, Peugeot and Toyota in the first years)
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Old 2 Aug 2019, 07:44 (Ref:3920782)   #1035
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I never said it tests engine reliability. I used it as an example of going over and above what is required. You run at Sebring because simulated numbers need real world validation, and if you're testing at Sebring, you test extremes. If your car isn't well built enough to survive Le Mans, Sebring will find it.

The same applies for engine reliability. You should be running it over the maximum theoretical values that you would run to during an event because it finds issues. If you only test to what you consider you'll use, then you'll never know if the engine will fail catastrophically at 1% over that. See Peugeot, 2010.

In Toyotas position I'd absolutely be running the car well outside the standard performance window to see how far it can go. They have easily enough performance advantage over the other cars. The only thing they can lose on is reliability. So they really should be going over and above on that.
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I just don't see a purpose of running the car outside its eot at the first wec sanctioned running for their first real season. Unless they want to get a team that believes it can win but that'd be false advertising imo. And if you think about it, it won't gain them any favors in terms of the eot. Being a little bit more behind might sway the rule makers of giving them a bit more favorable 'balance' on their car.
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The BR1 (not to mention ByKolles) was often significantly faster through speed traps with equivalent configurations. Nothing seems odd about that, we're only talking about 6kph difference in event maximum speed when the slower Rebellion is 8kph up from Toyota, and they're like half a second slower in sector 2 as you would expect with less downforce.
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Looks like all is going ahead. Although I would be very surprised if they are on pace with Rebellion within half a season, if at all....

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Aren't they as fast as Toyota?
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yes, and with limited testing. So by the time Silverstone starts they should be 7-8 seconds back

All kidding aside, hope they can get some reliability to go with the speed potential.
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Aren't they as fast as Toyota?
Faster...


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Well within a second of Toyota. Have been for 18 months now said the boss.
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I wonder if Orudzhev will be bringing any SMP backing.


I’d be surprised if he isn’t. Whether their branding appears on the car is anyone’s guess
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ginetta top speed is nuts, bottas got 319km/h during his pole position time at montmelo; both ginetta's got 312-313km/h during the test! way faster than anyone or anything else in grid.... unfortunately high top speed - low downforce isn't exactly what you need at silvertone....


BTW forget the test.... toyota was just joking.... don't pretend to see toyota, rebellion and ginetta in just one second.
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ginetta top speed is nuts, bottas got 319km/h during his pole position time at montmelo; both ginetta's got 312-313km/h during the test! way faster than anyone or anything else in grid.... unfortunately high top speed - low downforce isn't exactly what you need at silvertone....


BTW forget the test.... toyota was just joking.... don't pretend to see toyota, rebellion and ginetta in just one second.
I'm not too sure about that. I didn't think the private teams would be able to do 3:16's at Le Mans but they did. Ginetta is basically brand new and they are right there with Rebellion only a few tenths back ultimately, at least in Spain. I am hopeful because they have a lot of room for improvement. When that happens they will be challenging for the win.
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Do they have a low downforce kit yet? Or did Mecachrome ruin it?
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