ALMS Round 8 - ModSport American Le Mans Monterey (Laguna Seca!) - 16/17 September

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by arakis

the difference is Ferrari made the addvantige through engeneering marvel, in their street car, BMW does their lawers do the performace upgrades

But it's a BoP formula. Having a technology that skews the BoP to this degree isn't really fair.

I think it warrants a waiver as they've done to allow people to run flat-plane cranks even if the road car doesn't have one.

Ben

[arakis]

awesome driving by jorg

[arakis]

Originally Posted by ubrben

But it's a BoP formula. Having a technology that skews the BoP to this degree isn't really fair.

I think it warrants a waiver as they've done to allow people to run flat-plane cranks even if the road car doesn't have one.

Ben

fuel consumption is not in the BoP, read the rules, averege laptime is the only thing in hte bop, and alows for 0.5% diff, and that is measured over 20 best lap.

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by arakis

fuel consumption is not in the BoP, read the rules, averege laptime is the only thing in hte bop, and alows for 0.5% diff, and that is measured over 20 best lap.

I know it's not. But if you save a pitstop the other cars can only do the same elapsed race time for a given distance by lapping faster.

If they lap faster they get a BoP penalty for being too fast.

What I'm saying is that if you have an inherent fuel economy advantage to that extent then the BoP becomes redundant.

Question for you arakis - where do you stand on the "technical marvel" of the diesels vs. petrol balance of performance?

Ben

[arakis]

crap

[pdxracefan]

#17 is retired

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by ubrben

I know it's not. But if you save a pitstop the other cars can only do the same elapsed race time for a given distance by lapping faster.

If they lap faster they get a BoP penalty for being too fast.

What I'm saying is that if you have an inherent fuel economy advantage to that extent then the BoP becomes redundant.

Question for you arakis - where do you stand on the "technical marvel" of the diesels vs. petrol balance of performance?

Ben

Oh god not another thread with this...

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by arakis

crap

yea, issues cranking the Risi 62...


Kane is in the OryxDyson 20....

[haribo]

Damn,

So many cars are struggling to get re-fired after their pit-stops

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by arakis

fuel consumption is not in the BoP, read the rules, averege laptime is the only thing in hte bop, and alows for 0.5% diff, and that is measured over 20 best lap.

Best 20% of the laps, not 20 laps. I'm well aware of the letter of the regs because it's my job to know.

Ben

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by pdxracefan

#17 is retired

[Purist]

Hmm, maybe they should find someone other than AER to supply their starter motor? (sorry, couldn't resist)

[arakis]

Originally Posted by ubrben

I know it's not. But if you save a pitstop the other cars can only do the same elapsed race time for a given distance by lapping faster.

If they lap faster they get a BoP penalty for being too fast.

What I'm saying is that if you have an inherent fuel economy advantage to that extent then the BoP becomes redundant.

Question for you arakis - where do you stand on the "technical marvel" of the diesels vs. petrol balance of performance?

Ben

the point of GT is to race slightly moded road cars,
so addvances in road cars should give you and addvantige, thats the point
Diesels vs petrols, is simple, let petrols have the same volume and turbochargers and restrictors, and we would see just how unfair the ACO is

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by arakis

crap

You loose the argument by default if that's the most reasoned response you can come up with.

Ben

[arakis]

Originally Posted by ubrben

You loose the argument by default if that's the most reasoned response you can come up with.

Ben

the crap was because of villander stalling it in the pits

[arakis]

if that lmpc passes long, itc gonna anoy hin in the next few laps

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by arakis

the point of GT is to race slightly moded road cars,
so addvances in road cars should give you and addvantige, thats the point
Diesels vs petrols, is simple, let petrols have the same volume and turbochargers and restrictors, and we would see just how unfair the ACO is

No you've completely missed the point.

It's a BoP formula, which is the only fair way to race such diverse cars equally. New technology doesn't come into it.

Ben

[arakis]

now I gues the push to pass will come into play

[ubrben]

Arakis. Here's an example for you. At the moment The Porsche hybrid has the fastest lap in GT and it can go 5 laps longer on fuel. If that performed to it's limit compared to a Ferrari 458 - the Ferrari would never win.

All arguing aside, you can't introduce a technology into this class that if it perform to it's limit obsoletes all the other cars. Incidentally this is precisely why Porsche themselves have lobbied against Hybrids in GTE when the discussion was held on that matter.

Ben

[arakis]

Originally Posted by ubrben

No you've completely missed the point.

It's a BoP formula, which is the only fair way to race such diverse cars equally. New technology doesn't come into it.

Ben

wrong you are talking about GT3, this is GTE, and the rules are in place to maintain close competition but alow for addvances in tech to develop the car,

thats why there is no fue consumption in the formula, and why there is a 0.5% margin alowed.

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by arakis

now I gues the push to pass will come into play

Nah, the underweight Porsche's good up the hills :-p

Ben

[NaBUru38]

The 911 hybrid has the 911 number!

Is Hindy a Porsche supporter? (Nothing against that.)

[arakis]

Originally Posted by ubrben

Arakis. Here's an example for you. At the moment The Porsche hybrid has the fastest lap in GT and it can go 5 laps longer on fuel. If that performed to it's limit compared to a Ferrari 458 - the Ferrari would never win.

All arguing aside, you can't introduce a technology into this class that if it perform to it's limit obsoletes all the other cars. Incidentally this is precisely why Porsche themselves have lobbied against Hybrids in GTE when the discussion was held on that matter.

Ben

the hybrid is a prototype, there is no road version of it, thus it is totaly iligal..

whem amd if porsche build a flywheel hybrid road that doesent need 20 engneers to run it for 24h I would more then accept it racing and domating the class

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Wow I love the how fans commentate on the GT race, so much tech talk and trash talk, loving it and I wish LMP1 provided the same kind of passion.

[ubrben]

Originally Posted by arakis

wrong you are talking about GT3, this is GTE, and the rules are in place to maintain close competition but alow for addvances in tech to develop the car,

thats why there is no fue consumption in the formula, and why there is a 0.5% margin alowed.

Do you agree that if a car can do an entire pitstop less and the other cars will get a BoP penalty if they go fast enough to make up the difference you make the whole BoP irrelevant?

Ben