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Old 26 Sep 2021, 18:58 (Ref:4075721)   #106
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Supercars would be better IMO although it's very unlikely. There's not much value in WTCR for me but I'm biased.
Anyway, Sutton going would be a big quality loss for the BTCC. Not saying I'd stop watching BTCC altogether when he's gone but there are very few drivers of his callibre in the BTCC.
It wouldn't be much of a loss would make for an even closer championship. Just look how close the battle for 2nd is right now. I also agree on WTCR it sucks compared to WTCC of old
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 19:48 (Ref:4075735)   #107
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Wow. Not content enough with harpooning Boardley?
How come Boardley got a penalty?
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 20:52 (Ref:4075744)   #108
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seems Turks is resigned for the titel battle as it's more about P2

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Old 26 Sep 2021, 21:24 (Ref:4075747)   #109
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It wouldn't be much of a loss would make for an even closer championship. Just look how close the battle for 2nd is right now. I also agree on WTCR it sucks compared to WTCC of old
Honestly that Sutton's 'domination' (IMO it can't be even called one) is not a problem for the BTCC. If every season was decided by a point, it'd stop being so thrilling. Sutton's lead over rivals stems mainly from the fact that he's the most consistent of them all - unless he wins 10-15 races of the season and finishes on a podium on 20-25 occasions, I don't think we can be really afraid of a boring domination. Last year Sutton won but it wasn't until the closing stages of the season when it became apparent he's really a favourite.

It's his rivals turn to pull up their socks. In my opinion, BTCC would lose a lot if Sutton left.

And yes, old WTCC was way, way better than the current WTCR
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 21:24 (Ref:4075748)   #110
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seems Turks is resigned for the titel battle as it's more about P2
Is he really? His words don't really state it.
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 21:31 (Ref:4075750)   #111
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I would say that Sutton's leading the championship in much the same way that Turkington had done it in the past - steadily stacking up the points as much as he could whilst trying to stay out of harms' way. He appears to be taking less chances and just picking up points where he can, because points lead to the ultimate prize and you need to finish the races to win points. Much the same as Turkington had done.
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 21:56 (Ref:4075760)   #112
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it also that car of his, it can carry maximum ballast and still be very competitive while rivals CANNOT as demostrated repeatedly , Tingram, Hill , Turkington in past rounds, if things were normal then Sutton should really qualify outside the top 10 with full ballast but it doesn't happen with him

when it doesn't carry ballast it's almost like it has wider tires and for everyone thinking it's Sutton driving skill alone, recenlty it made Moffat look good too

Lloyd also said in interview "not him" when refering seeing Sutton in mirror just like Turkington did a few rounds ago

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Old 26 Sep 2021, 22:27 (Ref:4075767)   #113
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Is he really? His words don't really state it.
No, it doesn’t. What he’s alluding to is that he is barely any worse off than second place, points wise, but carries the ballast for fourth place, so he hopes to have an advantage over the two between him and Sutton going into Donington.
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Old 26 Sep 2021, 23:29 (Ref:4075775)   #114
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No, it doesn’t. What he’s alluding to is that he is barely any worse off than second place, points wise, but carries the ballast for fourth place, so he hopes to have an advantage over the two between him and Sutton going into Donington.
Precisely my point. Doubt Turkington may give up his title hopes at this stage of the season.
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Old 27 Sep 2021, 08:17 (Ref:4075827)   #115
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it also that car of his, it can carry maximum ballast and still be very competitive while rivals CANNOT as demostrated repeatedly , Tingram, Hill , Turkington in past rounds, if things were normal then Sutton should really qualify outside the top 10 with full ballast but it doesn't happen with him

when it doesn't carry ballast it's almost like it has wider tires and for everyone thinking it's Sutton driving skill alone, recenlty it made Moffat look good too

Lloyd also said in interview "not him" when refering seeing Sutton in mirror just like Turkington did a few rounds ago

I seem to recall something similar when Turkington was driving the car that was the class of the field; I would suggest that that is not the case presently, the car I mean. And Butcher clearly demonstrated only yesterday that Sutton is not the only one that can keep at the pointy end when his car is carrying full ballast.
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Old 27 Sep 2021, 08:22 (Ref:4075828)   #116
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I seem to recall something similar when Turkington was driving the car that was the class of the field; I would suggest that that is not the case presently, the car I mean. And Butcher clearly demonstrated only yesterday that Sutton is not the only one that can keep at the pointy end when his car is carrying full ballast.
It's a lot easier from 1st than it is from 6th or 10th etc, but it's a valid point.

The BMW has a few aero issues this year I think.
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Old 27 Sep 2021, 08:28 (Ref:4075830)   #117
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Precisely my point. Doubt Turkington may give up his title hopes at this stage of the season.
Exactly. There are 4 drivers still in with a realistic shout. Yes, with his points advantages and his/his car's general all round strength, Sutton will be a big favourite. Bigger favourite than anyone in recent times at this point in the season, but it's far from a done deal yet.

Usually, going into the Brands Hatch Finale, there are 2 or 3 drivers with a realistic chance, separated by very few points, then there's another 1 or possibly 2 drivers who are a little further behind (30+ points) who will say that their chances are very slim as it will need at least 2 or 3 drivers in front of them to have a disastrous weekend for them to have any hope. This time, it's a reverse. Sutton has a cushion, but it only takes him to have a disastrous weekend, then surely at least 1 of the other 3 drivers behind will make the most of that and jump ahead of him.

Yes, it looks unlikely given his form all season, but it's certainly far from impossible. It's only one big-ish accident or one mechanical failure, or a couple of minor offs away from being a reality.....
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Old 27 Sep 2021, 12:09 (Ref:4075867)   #118
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it also that car of his, it can carry maximum ballast and still be very competitive while rivals CANNOT as demostrated repeatedly , Tingram, Hill , Turkington in past rounds, if things were normal then Sutton should really qualify outside the top 10 with full ballast but it doesn't happen with him

when it doesn't carry ballast it's almost like it has wider tires and for everyone thinking it's Sutton driving skill alone, recenlty it made Moffat look good too
What is that they are doing that lets the car react that way though? It's not as though it has huge engine placement advantages like the Subaru did.
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Old 27 Sep 2021, 12:45 (Ref:4075878)   #119
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What is that they are doing that lets the car react that way though? It's not as though it has huge engine placement advantages like the Subaru did.

It has been commented on ITV that some of the advantage comes from the way that Sutton likes to have his cars with a fairly soft suspension set-up, which compliments his supreme driving ability. It is noticeable that Moffat in particular, and Boardley to a lesser extent, are creeping up the grid since they have both followed Sutton's set-up. Also, the ITV team also noted that Sutton has been "coaching" them, particularly Moffat which probably accounts for his performance at Croft.
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Great weekend of racing. Nice to see Butcher up there, although that win in the first race will always be dubious due to the yellow flag incident. Really need a bit more clarity on that, even if the pass was technically outside the yellow flags

Cook’s exclusion has really dented his title hopes. However Hill managed to salvage some hopes with that fine win in the final race after starting so far back in the first race. But Sutton extends his lead and on this form, I find it hard to see how he can lose the title

Bit of a surprise to see the Vauxhalls up there on a track that shouldn’t suit their car. Lloyd looked very happy after that

Roll on Donny
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