Seeeking detail pics of Gp2 Capri RS2600 and RS3100.

[Greg Cozier]

Zak, could you scrounge some RS3100 bodyshell pics to post here? I'm about to start building a bodyshell for a semi-replica (rally car built to RS3100 homologation) and need to understand what was done for the rear suspension.

Any help appreciated.

[terence]

Greg,do you not have the homologation forms for the period upto 74?

[Greg Cozier]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Greg,do you not have the homologation forms for the period upto 74?

Yup, have them all.

The 1971 Group 2 regs didn't regulate the 'non-visible' parts of the body or anything below the wheel hub CL. Technically all floorpan modifications were unrestricted and multiple links and extra springs could be added to the axle. The forms didn't need to show bits like the FIA and MSA now require 'period proof' for.

Hence my quest to get as much RS3100 'period proof' as I can in the form of pictures of period cars and then select what I need from that. I'd like my bodyshell to be completely Gp2 RS3100 with the exception of wheel arches and rear radiators (which could be added later if I ever sell the car).

Everyone who has ever driven a Capri knows that rear axle steer and lack of traction is a major challenge. I'm pretty sure if the rear axle is located correctly as per period Cologne cars that it could be a Cat 2 911 beater on tarmac. A 12-valve Essex engine will match the Porsche for torque and horsepower.

[brown dog]

Originally Posted by Greg Cozier

Brain teaser for you.

The top pic is the '74 Group 2 Capri (note cooling pipes for radiators in wheel arches).

The bottom pic is a standard Capri.

Note the inner wheel arches on the racer have been replaced, probably with something from the Ford parts bin in 1973. My 1967/8 Allan mann escort built by Gomm used Transit inner wheel arches so I know this was relatively common practice.

Can anyone identify the inner arches in the pic?

Hahaa, just been trying to work out what those wheelarches are myself! Definitely not Transit as I first thought they might be, as I checked my Mk1 As you know it is a pressing, and will be hard (but not impossible) to fabricate.

[zakspeed65]

Hi All,

I seem to remember they were Granada??? Look very close if not the same to the items in my Zakspeed.

Cheers.

[Greg Cozier]

Originally Posted by zakspeed65

Hi All,

I seem to remember they were Granada??? Look very close if not the same to the items in my Zakspeed.

Cheers.

They look the same as yours based on the rollover pressing. I'll start hunting around for Mk1 Granada.

When I was restoring my AMR car I nearly bought an entire Mk1 Transit to get the inner wheel arches. Eventually I found a fella who sold obsolete panels who had some new ones. The wonders of the internet!

32 Euro in postage later my German car mag showed up today, no detail pics of suspension. Anyone want a German car mag? Lovely pics of lightweight E-type.

[Greg Cozier]

Based on these pics (you'll need to zoom) the arches are not from a Grenada.

http://www.thetattoostudio.co.uk/myc...een/progress8/

Jeff at Xpress panels is having a look as well.

[terence]

Top picture,they look identical to my MK2 Capri,bottom picture must have been intended for a four door saloon?

[Greg Cozier]

Scroll down on this page to the picture of the boot with the fuel pumps. Even the Gp5 Zak escort used these same inner wheel arches.

http://oldschool.co.nz/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32213

http://oldschool.co.nz/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32213

[terence]

Sorry Greg,not sure why i did it but those arches with the inner pressing going towards the wheel are MK2 Capri.

[zakspeed65]

Hi All,

Photos of the 73 Works spec uprights just being completed here in NZ.

We cast these in Magnesium.

Cheers.

[terence]

Originally Posted by zakspeed65

Hi All,

Photos of the 73 Works spec uprights just being completed here in NZ.

We cast these in Magnesium.

Cheers.

They look great! I take it there is the single stud to secure the leg? How about the scary bit?LoL

[Greg Cozier]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Sorry Greg,not sure why i did it but those arches with the inner pressing going towards the wheel are MK2 Capri.

Terrence, according to these pics the Mk2/3 inner wheel arch is the same as the Mk1 Capri (lower pic in my post).

http://www.restore-a-ford.co.uk/RB_Mk33S.html

The 'evolution in production' Mk2 bodyshell wasn't produced until 1974, the Mk1 RS3100 sold alongside it.

Please post pics of what you have.

[Greg Cozier]

Ric Wood says he spoke to a man in Germany who says the inner tubs on the Cologne Capris and Zakspeed Escorts are from the German P5 Ford Taunus. Looks like I'll be overheating Google to find a pair of them!

[Greg Cozier]

No luck with Taunus inner wheel arches. If anyone has any ideas I'd really appreciate it. Would really hate to put fabricated inner arches in a mint car like this but they are available for Escorts.

I recently read that there was only ever one Broadspeed Capri and it was written off, does anyone know for sure?

[historic racer]

Yes the Broadspeed Capri was written off at Silverstone in 73, I was driving along side it when it went end over end. They dumped the shell back in the paddock and then a JCB dumped the engine back where it sort of should be. That was not repairable and Matthews was lucky not to loose his life.

[Clive Brown]

As I recall it, the Broadspeed Capri was destroyed at the British Grand Prix meeting at Silverstone in 1973 also involving Dave Brodie's Norman Reeves Escort, and Gavin Booth's Mini, which was being lapped at the time.

The Broadspeed Capri was significantly different from a Cologne car, having all kinds of trick suspension.

[Greg Cozier]

Thanks.

What then was Vince Woodman's car that JD Classics list as a 1975 (??!!) Broadspeed Capri RS3100?

http://www.jdclassics.co.uk/Brands-H...-Festival-2012

The RS3100 didn't exist until 1974, further down this page there is a picture of an RS2600 that was involved in the Silverstone accident and it says there were two of them. Possibly three Broadspeed Capris in total or maybe more?

http://z14.invisionfree.com/Classic_...?showtopic=331

[Mike Bell]

AFAIK the Broadspeed RS3100 Capri that Vince recently sold was only one of that designation and specification built outside of Cologne. However it may have been an RS2600 Broadspeed car upgraded to GAA, side radiators, later bodywork etc?

JD Classics, as said, are now custodians of the iconic car and may have all that history documented.

[Hunter1300]

Originally Posted by Greg Cozier

Brain teaser for you.

The top pic is the '74 Group 2 Capri (note cooling pipes for radiators in wheel arches).

The bottom pic is a standard Capri.

Note the inner wheel arches on the racer have been replaced, probably with something from the Ford parts bin in 1973. My 1967/8 Allan mann escort built by Gomm used Transit inner wheel arches so I know this was relatively common practice.

Can anyone identify the inner arches in the pic?

These are P5 and may be able to get a pair of used but wont be cheap as my man needs to cut a car up....

If your interested PM me

[Hunter1300]

What wing mirrors did the zakspeed Gr2 escorts run?

where they the same as gr5 escorts and the gr2 capris?

Im sure they were off something 'random' but a stock item

[Greg Cozier]

PM sent, thanks.

[rs 3400]

Hi,the inner wings where custom made,not from any other car,
15 inch inner tubes from Gartrac to Escort MKII can be used.

[Greg Cozier]

Originally Posted by rs 3400

Hi,the inner wings where custom made,not from any other car,
15 inch inner tubes from Gartrac to Escort MKII can be used.

Interesting thought RS.

There is little doubt from the numerous pictures I've scrounged that the Cologne Capris and early Zakspeed Escorts used the same tubs, both of which have radial pressings that would seem to be superfluous to any custom builder (like Gartrac, I owned a Gartrac escort with 15" tubs). The only other time I've seen such pressings were on my Alan Mann Escort; they were so distinctive they led me to the source, the Mk1 Transit.

What makes you think they were custom made?

[PZR]

Some images from the Nov. 1973 Fuji 'Tourist Trophy' meeting, where two 2600s ( Mass / Glemser and Hezemans / Moffat ) took part in the main 'Pan Am 500' race.

Hopefully of interest...