Group 5 BMW 320's.

[driftwood]

the black car in fore ground "BoB Ravioli" looks like a low line schnizter car
teh car in back ground has twin headlamps is it still a 320 or 530 shape?

good foto though possibly Shah alam?

[ian beckett]

Type Kemora 1984 into Youtube and then click on the 7.41 clip and you will be able to see some good footage of two of the 320'2 racing in the Finnish Supersaloon series of that year.Ian.

[solo318]

The car in the background looks more like an e30? Wouldn't that make the photo at least 1984?

[ian beckett]

My understanding is that the JPS car was run for Ravaglia by Schnitzer at the '84 Malaysian GP at Shah Alam,the sponsorship being a local deal similar to that with Ian Grey and his more conventional 320 turbo(non lowline) around this time in the Far East. The Ravaglia car is the one whose whereabouts are at present unknown,anyone help? I really wish that someone with a knowledge of racing in this area and time would come forward because there are several mysteries to be unravelled! Ian.

[Zep]

More nordic 320's in YouTube:
search "special saloon 1985"

There is three clips from Ahvenisto's "Hämeenlinna Race".

[driftwood]

Zep thanks for more you tube info
not sure if the leading car in the Kemora youtube race is my car before it is overtaken b the 2nd car
Ian the only man i know who was in asia is in sweden now
he was BMW man out there I will ask hm what period he was there he did own the
Zakspeed escort with bdg at 1 time

send me list of questions so i can ask him
also send me list of cars chassi# etc that you have compiled so far
u never asnwered my email with the list i had compiled and i am still in therapy getting over the snub!

[helgi]

It's mentioned that Eddie Cheever talked to RaceCar Engineering magazin about BMW Junior Team. But in what issue? Thanks!

[Jesper OH]

Originally Posted by Jimsturbo

I've been following this thread for a couple months. My race partner used to own the HAT Group 5 car which he bought from R. Hohmann (Hohmann Auto Technique - HAT). He purchased the car in 1981 when Hohmann moved to Canada and campaigned the car at a club level here in Calgary Alberta Canada, then Edmonton/EIR, Vancouver/Westwood, and Portland Oregon USA/PIR. He eventually sold the car around 1991 or 92 to a individual in Toronto Ontario Canada. After a while we heard that another person bought it and Korman in the USA did a restoration. Afterwards the car went onto Australia. I've heard it may be in Japan now, but I'm not sure.

Though we have a number of photographs of the car they were mostly snap-shot grade with very little detail.

This first shot shows one style of original livery during the era when Hohmann campaigned the car:


When Hohmann moved to Calgary he had my partner repaint the car in this basic black and white scheme. Shortly there after he sold the car to my partner.


My partner then repainted the car in this scheme which replicated the livery of another car competing in group 5.


These last three shots were taken while my friend did a restoration to the car in the late 80s:






Interesting to note these original cars had aluminum roll cages. My partner had a challenge getting it approved by the local sanctioning body

So the 320s were based on original body shells! Always thought they were tube framed like the Zakspeed Fords and, presumably, the Dallara built Lancia Beta Monte Carlos. But then again most Porsche 935s was based on original body shells too.

Jesper

[driftwood]

yes all Gp 5 cars are street car shells as were the rules of the day
latersome tube frame cars where built
Gp4 was less modification of parts than Gp 5 and homologation of parts fitted
Gp2 was homolgated parts only onto the cars in relation to production run build

many race cars had alloy rollcages until mid 1990`s when they where banned as they snapped in shunts pinging into driver doing more damage !!

[Alex E]

Thought this might be of interest.
Cheever & Winkelhock at Norisring `77.

Also the ex Schnitzer Finnish 320 turbo, and next to it the Spa winning Schnitzer 635.

Alex

[pmv]

Here is an old article of E21 racer. It´s a car that has been discussed in this topic. Hopefully it´s an addition of this topic even though non-finnish can´t really understand a thing!

http://www.sharknose.fi/www/artikkel...schnitzer.html

[ian beckett]

Excellent find,anything more from your part of the world? Ian.

[pmv]

Thanks Ian. We are constantly, albeit slowly, gathering information, stories, history etc. of older BMW´s to our website www.sharknose.fi

If we find more information, old stories of Group 5 E21 and we can publish story without copy-right vialation, I´ll post a link here.

[stuart thompson]

Very interesting thread, this may have been answered earlier but what happened to the Chatfield/ Halkiopolous cars and the M12 powered 2002 he owned?

[Alex E]

Hi Stuart,
The old Schnitzr Gp 5 2002 was with me, but has recently found a new home with a well known historic racer. It will be appearing soon with it`s original Schnitzer turbo engine.
The Gp 5 320`s Brian had were also with me for a time, the ex Cheever car is now in the USA & the ex Peterson car is in Asia, There is some doubt as to whether the Greek 320 ever came to these shores ??

alex

[stuart thompson]

Cheers for the info Alex, BTW are you racing that gorgeous CSL at Brands Masters.
Cheers Stuart.

[Alex E]

Hi Stuart,
Unfortunately won`t be at Brands as I am taking the car to Goodwood & Le Mans Classic & need to get it ready for that. Hope to do the donington race in SEptember though.
Alex

[stuart thompson]

Cheers,Just asking because Clint Lipscombe (don't know if you remember him from BMWccc days) was asking.

[Siggi]

Hello,
the car with chassis-no 16 is for sale.
This is the original Turbo-320 dirven by Stuck/Petersson in Word-Championship.
For more information send email to info@jb-racing.de

[mnsty]

I'll post this to keep the thread going. It's my favorite picture of a 320T, partly because It's my car at Lime Rock in 1979 being driven by Jim Busby.
previously the car was driven by Stuck / Peterson then after by Jim Richards in Australia. It's the last 320 and a factory lightweight.

[jd yort]

fantastic photo mnsty.

So your the lucky man to own one of the 3 JPS BMW's that raced down here in Australia. You would be interested in this thread.

http://www.sportssedans.com.au/forum...?a=topic&t=111

Are you able to shed any light on the car history?

[ASKmotorsport]

@lemansfan
i think it can't be the Stuck Peterson car cause the Stuck Peterson car was an car with an helping frame in the front and an turbo..

@ driftwood

are u sure that u have the original krebs car vrom '79? 1979 team Krebs build an new car with was '80 sold to GS and i've te original "wagenpass" from '79 with all owners till today with an car with an matching id number... i own the car since '86 and i know most of the owners

[Nordic]

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...er-bimmer.aspx

Some nice up close detail shots of the Jagermiester BMW here.

[skycafe]

Originally Posted by Nordic

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...er-bimmer.aspx

Some nice up close detail shots of the Jagermiester BMW here.

WOW, loved that!

[stuart thompson]

One was advertised in Autosport last week. It was a roller and I think it said chassis 82? from memory it was painted red.