WEC Rebellion Racing - Page 56

Victor_RO · 9 May 2016, 17:07 (Ref:3640397)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

The stock answer to everything

I know it's not all sunshine and roses in endurance racing (and in motorsport overall) nowadays, but it's not all darkness doom and gloom. The truth is in the middle. Let's focus on the positives while not forgetting the negatives (but not bringing them up at every single opportunity!)

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 17:12 (Ref:3640399)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I find that very hard indeed to believe......

I don't follow this sport for the drivers. I don't really care for them. Without cheating I could probably name only half of the drivers in LMP1 right now. Maybe less. In LMP2, maybe tenth of all.

Granted, that's just me and no-one else here (probably) so in no way should it be taken as the forums opinion. I admit at being weird at opinions, so peace

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 18:31 (Ref:3640416)

This may make me a complete clown here, but to prove my "ignorance " on drivers, here is my list of current LMP1 drivers if I we're forced to do a pop quiz test right now, without cheating. I swear by the old gods, and the new that I did not look elsewhere once for this, during this, or even after this. Make of it what you wish.

#1 Porsche
Mark Webber
Brendon Hartley
Marc Lieb

#2 Porsche
Romain Dumas
??? Literally blank space. Or is Lieb here ???
??? What? Who? Maybe they appear to my mind up later, I've seen the names and faces many times but have no recollection now when I pay no real attention to such ???

#5 Toyota
Anthony Davidson (or in the other car but same as Buemi?)
Sebastian Buemi (or in the other car, but same as Davidson?)
Mike Conway (or in the other car?)

#6 Toyota
Stephane Sarrazin (or in the other car?)
Kamui Kobayashi (or in the other car?)
Kazuki Nakajima (or in the other car?)

#7 Audi
Andre Lotterer
Benoit? Trelluyer
? Duvall

#8 Audi
? Fässler ?
??? German guy ???
??? Some Audi GT Champion ???

#12 Rebellion
Nick Heidfeld
Nicholas Prost
Nelson Piquet JR

#13 Rebellion
Dominic Kraihaimer
? Imperatori
??? Belicchi ???

#4 ByKolles
Simon Trummer
Oliver/Olivier? Webb
??? Tuscher ???

**Aysedasi** · 9 May 2016, 19:18 (Ref:3640440)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

Granted, that's just me and no-one else here (probably) so in no way should it be taken as the forums opinion. I admit at being weird at opinions, so peace

Fair enough, I can live with that.....

Although not knowing one of the most successful trios in the history of prototype racing ought to be reason for us to send you back to school!

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 19:23 (Ref:3640442)

Well, when in 2055 the winning trio will consist of three AI cores, I'll promise to remember what their ID labels will be

**Aysedasi** · 9 May 2016, 19:26 (Ref:3640448)

Hmmm, by 2055 I'll likely be past caring........

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 19:31 (Ref:3640450)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Hmmm, by 2055 I'll likely be past caring........

Never give up, never surrender

Murray Walker still cares of F1 at 92. Christopher Lee was singing in a heavy metal band in his 90's

**Aysedasi** · 9 May 2016, 19:34 (Ref:3640452)

Maybe so, but I'll need the elixir of life to still be following sportscars in 2055.... You never know eh?

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 19:52 (Ref:3640455)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Maybe so, but I'll need the elixir of life to still be following sportscars in 2055.... You never know eh?

True, but then again you never know which Le Mans (in whatever form) will be your last, so you might as well look forward to them all

carbon_titanium · 9 May 2016, 20:04 (Ref:3640459)

is more likely to see a lmp2 close to the overall podium than rebellion or kolles... lmp1-h may suffer hybrid/chassis/turbo fails, but AER engine too is far from being bulletproof

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 20:17 (Ref:3640461)

I'm not as worried on the AER front as before the season started, but still not entirely convinced either. But I suspect thst even if they'll have to start saving the engine at some point (in the second half?), their gap to LMP2 is sustainable enough. As I've said before, the nonhybrid gap to P2 is bigger at LM than at the F1 circuits, so any time spent trouble free is gonna make much bigger gap than it would elsewhere in world.

Meanwhile in the Rebellion Spa review press release, it's interesting to see #12 people saying they don't "understand" why they are loising to the sister entry

Victor_RO · 9 May 2016, 20:51 (Ref:3640476)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

Meanwhile in the Rebellion Spa review press release, it's interesting to see #12 people saying they don't "understand" why they are loising to the sister entry

One word: Piquet.

**Adam43** · 9 May 2016, 20:53 (Ref:3640478)

The F3 driver Piquet?!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-return-at-pau

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 20:54 (Ref:3640479)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

One word: Piquet.

I know, I even said it couple of pages back, but of course Prost/Heidfeld can't exactly say it out loud

**Adam43** · 9 May 2016, 20:56 (Ref:3640480)

The importance of drivers!

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 21:02 (Ref:3640481)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

The importance of drivers!

Lol I never said drivers aren't important components in the package (why else (other than general sanitation) would I be opposed to such things as pro-am in LMP2, or tarmac runoff easy driving)), of course they are. They can make huge difference. It's just that I don't really care/follow them when the cars and teams are in the showlight. Historically more attention is paid to the machine at sports car racing too.

Obviously in cases like this though, when they are in the heart of what's being discussed, they come to up, even with me. Or if someone uber celebrity like Alonso or whomever came along, of course it's interesting side attention

**Adam43** · 9 May 2016, 21:04 (Ref:3640483)

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 21:08 (Ref:3640484)

You're a good bunch of folks really, I like what's been argumented today here

TF110 · 10 May 2016, 05:01 (Ref:3640546)

Piquet's pace was equal to if not better than Prost's this race. Prost had no laps in the 2:04's, Piquet had one. Piquet also had four laps in the 2:05's, Prost had two. Piquet had twelve laps in the 2:06's, Prost had three. Piquet actually did a longer stint than Prost. He wasn't able to match Heidfeld, but Prost was no quicker.

truebeliever · 10 May 2016, 17:27 (Ref:3640660)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Piquet's pace was equal to if not better than Prost's this race. Prost had no laps in the 2:04's, Piquet had one. Piquet also had four laps in the 2:05's, Prost had two. Piquet had twelve laps in the 2:06's, Prost had three. Piquet actually did a longer stint than Prost. He wasn't able to match Heidfeld, but Prost was no quicker.

Neither of them are their fathers, it's life.

Damian Baldi · 11 May 2016, 02:38 (Ref:3640761)

When Rebellion and Kolles had problems with the AER engine last year, I thought it was because everything was new, but an year later we are still reading about "engine issues" from both teams. I think Le Mans will be and engine's lottery for those teams.

BTW. In 2017 the Gibson P2 engine will have almost the same power than the current P1-H. What's the plan for these team to improve? more turbo boost? less air restrictor?

Mike E · 11 May 2016, 07:52 (Ref:3640796)

There doesn't seem to be a plan.

"The new-for-2017 LMP2 regulations call for an increase of up to 150 horsepower over current WEC/ELMS power levels. One LMP2 constructor told Sportscar365 they expect new-spec LMP2 cars to be lapping under 3:30 at Le Mans next year."

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/s...ce-notebook-3/

Fastest LMP2 lap last year was 3:36.679.
Fastest LMP1-P lap was 3:26.594.

carbon_titanium · 11 May 2016, 08:12 (Ref:3640803)

being just one kind of engine, it simply doesn't make sense to still use air restrictors. Very likely the engine will be used at full power.
Anyway, if gibson wil be able for real to produce a NA 4-4.2L, as reliable as nissan one, but 600hp powerfull and with a better fuel milliage; it will be a really great engineering masterpiece.

About AER, surely during the 24h race, once or more than once, rebellion and kolles cars will be forced to make long stops inside the boxes to fix something. That's why to me will be more likely to see a lmp2 close to the overall podium than a private lmp1

Deleted · 11 May 2016, 10:26 (Ref:3640826)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

When Rebellion and Kolles had problems with the AER engine last year, I thought it was because everything was new, but an year later we are still reading about "engine issues" from both teams. I think Le Mans will be and engine's lottery for those teams.

I don't remember (public) engine issues from Rebellion this year so far. Kolles yes

Mike E · 11 May 2016, 12:40 (Ref:3640868)

Rebellion still considering a DPi program, maybe at the expense of WEC.

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/r...on-2017-plans/

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