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12 Jun 2011, 20:07 (Ref:2897388) | #1 | |
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R.I.P. wet weather F1 racing
Why fanny around for so many laps under the safety car?
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I Bet after the race we just witnessed you wished you had never posted that lol!
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I loved the race, but it does seem odd that the SC only comes in when the track is fit for intermediates. It makes one wonder why they bother having full wets at all.
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12 Jun 2011, 21:32 (Ref:2897509) | #5 | |
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I don't.
It was a thrilling finale, but my point remains. It seems you are no longer allowed to have wet races on anything other than a damp track. Tooling round behind the safety car for ages is a waste of laps. Yes, circumstances meant we got an excellent end to the Grand Prix, but how does that change my point? |
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He's right though. Korea last year set a precedent. I said at the time that the Korean GP 2010 was the death of the full wet race and it seems I was right.
They should've not started behind the SC. The SC should've been in atleast 5 laps before it did on the 2nd restart. As DC and Brundle kept saying, these are the best drivers out there. Lets see them race. |
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12 Jun 2011, 21:35 (Ref:2897514) | #7 | ||
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No I agree on this fully. Starting under the SC was ridiculous in my view. I will perhaps forgive it because they've not run these tyres in earnest before so didn't know what to expect. But still there was way too much safety car time. If you're going to leave it out for 20 laps why not just throw the red flag then and there?
And one lap after it came in we had drivers pitting for inters. Heck, D'Ambrosio followed it in! That's just stupid, the SC should have been in at least 5 laps earlier. |
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SC start was bull****, and the dozens of laps tooling around behind the SC whilst it was "too wet" was bull**** too. |
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12 Jun 2011, 21:59 (Ref:2897579) | #9 | ||
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Charlie was arguably over cautious today, but he probably saved (most of) the teams a small fortune in carbon fibre bits.
It's a difficult call, which needs to include consideration of the proximity of the barriers, no wet weather running all weekend, very little knowledge on the performance of the tyres, most/all of the cars set up for dry conditions at the start of the race, etc. etc. In the end we got a great spectacle, and maybe avoided some expensive carnage. |
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12 Jun 2011, 22:07 (Ref:2897593) | #12 | ||
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I agree. Totally over the top with the safety car today. We will have to stop racing in Britain if those conditions weren't safe! It was a great race in the end but the safety car start was ridiculous.
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Safety car driver had the biggest fun of the race.
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12 Jun 2011, 23:34 (Ref:2897648) | #15 | ||
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It was a spectacular race in the end, but I do think the SC was over the top. In the past it seems bringing the SC out for rain was a rarity when things got absolutely extreme, but it seems to be becoming the norm which is worrying.
In the end it was right to red flag it, but I was alarmed at how fast the SC came out after it started to rain. Also on the restart there was practically a dry line forming when it came in. With blown this and blown that it seems that the reliance on aero is even more extreme despite the measures they have tried to bring in to kerb it. The cars need to have more mechanical grip if they are that undriveable after a bit of rain. |
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13 Jun 2011, 02:48 (Ref:2897723) | #17 | ||
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How much safety is too much? They should race in the rain. Aren't they called rain tires?
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Yeh I don't think the extreme wets are that extreme at all..
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13 Jun 2011, 04:29 (Ref:2897736) | #19 | |
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Well for me it SUCKED.
Two laps at race speed and then I had to go to work Did not find out the result until late in the day and now wish I had not and could watch the replay tonight!!! |
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13 Jun 2011, 06:58 (Ref:2897780) | #20 | |
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Absolutely agree about the over-use of the safety car.
If the cars are that undriveable in the wet then the cars should be changed. All they need to do is say to the teams that races will not be stopped or SC'ed in the rain. It would be up to the teams to design something that works in all kinds of weather conditions. If they don't and they aquaplane off the track - well tough you won't win the race. Bet the teams would find a solution pretty quick! |
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13 Jun 2011, 07:41 (Ref:2897803) | #21 | |
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Charlie did exactly the right thing!
Any other decision would have been TOTAL STUPIDITY! |
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Whilst I accept Mr. Whiting's job includes looking after the safety of the drivers what is obviously lacking is any input from somebody interested in "the show", which is after all paying the lion's share of their salaries. The Safety car start was ridiculous and if it's too dangerous when it rains red flag it straight away don't have the absurd spectacle of some of the most highly paid and talented drivers in the world trundling around at 60 mph line astern. I imagine people switched channels in droves, their mistake as it turned out, but I bet the ratings were destroyed. |
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And whilst the broadcasters need input, they should NEVER have input that may affect the safety of the race. Which is the specific reasons why the SC was used so much. Nobody here can really comment accurately as we were not in the cars, and the view from the visor is very different from the view from the camera. I would imagine the problem is not the grip from the tyres and whether they work or not, but more to do with visibility. If you cannot see, you cannot race, even if you are the best in the world - its too dangerous. Simple as that. That said, they were maybe a bit overcautious and the SC could have come in a couple of laps earlier. |
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The red flag was of course justified once the rain got as bad as it did, but starting the under the safety car and staying out as long as it did after the restart was just ludicrous. They were ready for inters within a couple of laps of the safety car coming in after the restart! Something is wrong here. |
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13 Jun 2011, 11:02 (Ref:2897941) | #25 | ||
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Maybe a solution for wet races, is to have wheels half the width and a larger diameter so that spray is reduced and the bottom of the car doesn't get lifted by water? That way, we can have F1 racing just like it was in the past.
Having said this, I can see and understand reasons why this would be maybe unworkable, so maybe just make ride heights significantly higher. This also may make dry racing more exciting because aero performance would be reduced. |
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