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Old 18 Nov 2018, 23:06 (Ref:3864055)   #51
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Lynk & Co is the manufacturer, not the racing team. They could contract a 2nd team. Or Cyan will run two cars and YMR will run two cars.

This season teams had already to enter two cars.

Personally I like the maximum two cars rule.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 00:36 (Ref:3864074)   #52
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By the way when I wrote "What would happen to BRC then?" - in fact I meant: "what would happen, if one team would field all 4 cars from one manufacturer, be it directly (if it's allowed) or with a "proxy" team? What with other teams wishing to run same car?"
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 11:25 (Ref:3864198)   #53
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sporting rules for 2019 may allow maximum 4 cars per manufaturer and no 3-car teams.

If they're doing this maybe more manufacturers are coming! Probably not immediately in 2019, apart Link & Co brand, but with the growing interest in TCR this is not surprising me. Surely some new team could enter in WTCR 2019. YMR could run the other two car from Link & Co, I'm curious about who could run the other two Hyundai...

Is there any chance to see back the Lada brand afer two years of racing in Russia?
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 12:33 (Ref:3864217)   #54
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How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 17:07 (Ref:3864275)   #55
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How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?

They can simply do the same as Romeo Ferraris. They started a new team called Team Mulsanne, which raced the Alfas built by Romeo Ferraris. But if you went down to the pitlane of the TCR Europe you could see the same at KCMG. I don't remember seeing any Asian faces but saw a lot of familiar boys from JAS.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 19:06 (Ref:3864296)   #56
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How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?
they just use a different team as a ‘front’
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Old 20 Nov 2018, 12:08 (Ref:3864471)   #57
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In which case, these rules are rubbish.
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Old 20 Nov 2018, 16:00 (Ref:3864523)   #58
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In which case, these rules are rubbish.

How could you avoid it? We may brave human laws, but we cannot resist natural ones.
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Old 20 Nov 2018, 19:27 (Ref:3864563)   #59
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In which case, these rules are rubbish.

I don't agree with you! If you want a series that travels around the globe you need manufacturer money. If you want a championship that has a decent level to attract sponsors, and has a strong driver lineup you simply need manufacturers.



Is it bad for small privateers? Yes. But the have to accept that this is another level.

I think there is nothing wrong with manufacturers supported teams, with works drivers. What we don't need in TCR is free development to increases budgets.
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Old 21 Nov 2018, 07:59 (Ref:3864665)   #60
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How does WTCR (and TCR in general) define what is or isn't a 'manufacturer team'?

My understanding is that direct manufacturer involvement is not allowed. For example, JAS build the cars for Honda - they can supply other teams and provide technical support but they can't run a team themselves.

Cyan are building the cars and owned by the manufacturer (or at least owned by the same parent company). So how can they run a team?
Cyan are not building the cars and are independently owned. Geely Group Motorsport are building the cars: http://www.zgh.com/news/5230
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Old 21 Nov 2018, 09:57 (Ref:3864691)   #61
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Cyan are not building the cars and are independently owned. Geely Group Motorsport are building the cars: http://www.zgh.com/news/5230

Thank you for clarifying that, Johan. I think many of us misunderstood the first sentence in this article: https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...otorsport-arm/

"Polestar Cyan Racing, is no more in name, with Volvo owner Zhejiang Geely Holding Group instead launching a new motorsport wing titled Geely Group Motorsport"

And mistakenly thought Geely Group Motorsport is actually Cyan Racing rebranded. But now it is clear that Christian's team is independet.
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Old 21 Nov 2018, 11:06 (Ref:3864706)   #62
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I don't agree with you! If you want a series that travels around the globe you need manufacturer money. If you want a championship that has a decent level to attract sponsors, and has a strong driver lineup you simply need manufacturers.

Is it bad for small privateers? Yes. But the have to accept that this is another level.

I think there is nothing wrong with manufacturers supported teams, with works drivers. What we don't need in TCR is free development to increases budgets.
Think you missed my point.
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Old 21 Nov 2018, 15:35 (Ref:3864767)   #63
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Thank you for clarifying that, Johan. I think many of us misunderstood the first sentence in this article: https://www.touringcartimes.com/2018...otorsport-arm/

"Polestar Cyan Racing, is no more in name, with Volvo owner Zhejiang Geely Holding Group instead launching a new motorsport wing titled Geely Group Motorsport"

And mistakenly thought Geely Group Motorsport is actually Cyan Racing rebranded. But now it is clear that Christian's team is independet.

'Geely Group Motorsport' is just their motorsport division marketing name. They dont actually design and build the race cars in-house. Cyan Racing do all the development and building of the cars for Geely Group Motorsport as I'm sure Johan will confirm.

Same as 'Honda Motorsport Europe' dont design and build their cars. JAS do it for them.
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Old 21 Nov 2018, 20:03 (Ref:3864839)   #64
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'Geely Group Motorsport' is just their motorsport division marketing name. They dont actually design and build the race cars in-house. Cyan Racing do all the development and building of the cars for Geely Group Motorsport as I'm sure Johan will confirm.

Same as 'Honda Motorsport Europe' dont design and build their cars. JAS do it for them.
Cyan Racing does not build the TCR cars. Geely Group Motorsport do with their subcontractors.
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Old 21 Nov 2018, 20:51 (Ref:3864845)   #65
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Cyan Racing does not build the TCR cars. Geely Group Motorsport do with their subcontractors.
but Cyan did the design and development.
and is Cyan one of the Geely Group Motorsport subcontractors you refer to that help build them?
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Old 22 Nov 2018, 08:32 (Ref:3864934)   #66
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but Cyan did the design and development.
and is Cyan one of the Geely Group Motorsport subcontractors you refer to that help build them?
Cyan Racing has not been part of building the cars, again, Geely Group Motorsport are responsible for that.
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Old 22 Nov 2018, 09:22 (Ref:3864937)   #67
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Any news about the 2019 calendar?

I hoped they would bring it in Macau, but they didn't?
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Old 22 Nov 2018, 10:20 (Ref:3864948)   #68
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Cyan Racing has not been part of building the cars, again, Geely Group Motorsport are responsible for that.
ok thanks for clearing that up.

so Cyan did the design the development, not the build.
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Old 22 Nov 2018, 13:28 (Ref:3865000)   #69
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I hoped they would bring it in Macau, but they didn't?
It will be discussed at the WMSC in st Petersburg on 5 December and, if ratified, most likely published the day after.
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Old 22 Nov 2018, 17:20 (Ref:3865046)   #70
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It will be discussed at the WMSC in st Petersburg on 5 December and, if ratified, most likely published the day after.
I Wonder if they will finally remove that s*** of vila real
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Here says Vila Real will stay and will be the last of the WTCR European rounds.
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Here says Vila Real will stay and will be the last of the WTCR European rounds.
So Wuhan is not returning...
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Old 23 Nov 2018, 17:18 (Ref:3865271)   #73
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Did I read that right, a Sepang race?
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Still think 2 rounds in China for a 10-round calendar is way too much.

Especially if they keep Ningbo - the event is pointless since it has no interest (though the track is good)
Shame if they lose Wuhan, actually it was a very good circuit for action.

Sepang should be a night race, Ribeiro is a fan of those so nothing unusual.
Actually happy to see this, because the track is great and season finale may be epic
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Still think 2 rounds in China for a 10-round calendar is way too much.

Especially if they keep Ningbo - the event is pointless since it has no interest (though the track is good)
Shame if they lose Wuhan, actually it was a very good circuit for action.

Sepang should be a night race, Ribeiro is a fan of those so nothing unusual.
Actually happy to see this, because the track is great and season finale may be epic
a footlights system has completed in sepang this summer, should not be an issue
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