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Old 9 Aug 2019, 01:57 (Ref:3922012)   #1
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So ARG's growth has been mentioned across a few different threads on specific categories but the group certainly seems to be on a mission. Some of the work they've been dong has been reported, other parts of it yet to be covered.

So far and for 2020:
1. Own S5000, due to run the cars as a category at Sandown in 2019 - remains to be seen how that will go but good reactions to the idea generally.
2. Australian rights for TCR, going well
3. Bought TCM (not just "commercial rights" as reported at the time)
4. With TCM purchase now owns TA2 due to anomaly in the CAMS CMA for TCM (includes "Trans Am" cars in the description)
5. Bought YeeHaw events share of Bathurst 6 Hour event
6. Bidding for new event at Bathurst
7. Intending to run its categories at a mix of V8SA / Shannons rounds in 2020 - including (yet to be announced) TCR at Adelaide 500 despite earlier incorrect reports it wouldn't be there
8. I believe that ARG bid unsuccessfully for Archer's share in V8SA but those discussions may still be underway

Gives the company a mix of FWD touring cars, RWD V8s in current body shape, "historic" type racing, single-seaters if S5000 gets going.

New categories here in Oz of TCR and S5000 and TA2 will be running under CAMS so kinda new.

Money talks in this world and ARG is certainly well-resourced financially but I don't know how deep the pockets are and if there's a timeframe, certainly people such as those running the place day-to-day don't come cheaply and no doubt the size of the current monthly spend would be eye-watering.

This could be a good thing for Oz motorsport but IF ARG end up holding majority shareholding in V8SA, that would be a lot of eggs in one basket.

Given various discussions on here over a long time about power, control etc in Oz motorsport, what do we all think of ARG's position and what it might mean for the future?
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 02:52 (Ref:3922017)   #2
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Really? TCR will be at Adelaide? Wow.
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Really? TCR will be at Adelaide? Wow.
Why don't you tell us
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Old 9 Aug 2019, 03:17 (Ref:3922020)   #4
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I think the difference with lots of eggs in one basket may be that multiple categories get love directly from the management, rather than not many directly and a few indirectly.

This will also all depend on the success of S5000, however I am sure than rather than run their own series always, they will leverage off the entry of some of their categories to get other categories onto programs at other times
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Really? TCR will be at Adelaide? Wow.
So I'm told (disclaimer - this IS motorsport so who honestly knows what the truth is )
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Its SA govt money promoting (now there is an old style concept) the event, exercising their contractual muscle over the Supercar attempted monopoly.

If Tony Cochrane were about, no way TCR would have got a look in.

Now, how do competing TV coverages cover the event?

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Some interesting manoeuvring going on by the looks

How closely aligned are CAMS with ARG?
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Everything's CAMS sanctioned, so you'd assume fairly close.
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Hmmmm, F4?
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Some interesting manoeuvring going on by the looks

How closely aligned are CAMS with ARG?
CAMS and ARG are new best buddies. CAMS backed and co-presented the ARG bid for the 5th Bathurst weekend, while Supercars were left to their own devices.
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Hmmmm, F4?
ARG are already involved in F4. PAYCE are the main Series sponsor.
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ARG are already involved in F4. PAYCE are the main Series sponsor.
I can't remember where I heard it, but something about the chassis reaching EOL this year, which would basically kill off the series at the end of the season?
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ARG is making quite an impression with the series they have taken on and now have at least one Bathurst event......and as mentioned have possibly made s play for Archers share of Supercars
And they seem to have a cosy relationship with CAMS

CAMS has basically been in the background of Australian motor racing for 20 years, and Supercars has publically been effectively the face of Aussie racing, and CAMS have no real control of them

Maybe CAMS want to be more at the forefront, ARG could be a tool to help them get back there?
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CAMS job _should_ be to be in the background... Commercial rights are one thing, but the job of an ASN isn't to be a big brand that is visible or gets bought out like Supercars did.

Nor should they be owning categories or cars. They are there to administrate and advocate racing locally and overseas.
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CAMS job _should_ be to be in the background... Commercial rights are one thing, but the job of an ASN isn't to be a big brand that is visible or gets bought out like Supercars did.

Nor should they be owning categories or cars. They are there to administrate and advocate racing locally and overseas.
Pretty right.

I love open wheel racing and the more the better and F4 racing has been great despite the usually small fields.

However it was created wrongly. CAMS should have found a promotor instead of doing it themselves, it should never have gone ahead without an engine sponsor (AKA Ford in the UK) and it should have been done in cooperation with FF and F3 not in competition.

As it is FF has thrived on a state/national basis and F4 has possibly reached its use by date (hopefully not though). FF is one category ARG should be looking at closely I believe.

A ladder system with scholarships to progress from FF, F4, F3 to S5000 would be great and something ARG PAYCE should look at.
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