Masters. Snetterton 18th April - Page 5

LewsDad · 21 Apr 2010, 09:11 (Ref:2677182)

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Originally Posted by simon drabble

is it the same A40 in each photo getting ever more wild?

They were both as entertainingly lairy as each other, consistently in a four-wheel drift through Coram, locked-up into Russell and sideways on the way out. Surprised they both finished the right way up!

I suspect the drivers got in the cars desperate for a pee, but hey, whatever works, right?

LewsDad · 21 Apr 2010, 10:27 (Ref:2677215)

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Originally Posted by simon drabble

John definitely agree about the Iso - is it a GT or saloon? Which did they do in period.

Tricky question. I can't find any evidence to back up Wikipedia's claim that

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the car was homoligated [sic] not as a GT but as a Touring Car.

According to something else I just read and can no longer find, Iso denied Bizzarini his wish to take the IR 300 racing, and when he eventually changed his mind they went all-out and built the Grifo instead.

That leaves the 300 in the hands of privateers, and I can't find a single period reference anywhere to any of them. Does anyone know where they might have raced?

morninggents · 21 Apr 2010, 10:29 (Ref:2677216)

[QUOTE=John Turner;2677159]Good question Simon; not sure really but more a saloon than a GT? No idea what they raced in, in period.

I always considered them as a GT but if you compare it to the Alfa in the adjacent shot it looks no less a saloon. Perhaps it was down to the numbers built in period that meant it had to be homologated as a Grand Tourer rather than a Touring car.

**John Turner** · 21 Apr 2010, 11:26 (Ref:2677244)

The lines do get blurred and homologation doesn't always convey the visual impression of a car, or its seating capacity, does it? Saloon, Coupe, GT is the order of ascendancy for me. What's my M6 (anyone want to buy it by the way - PM me)? I see it as a Coupe. The 635CSi (but not sadly the M6 itself) was homolgated as a Touring car but is more of a coupe surely than the Rivolta, n'est pas? Coupes (the XJS was another)were always homologated as Touring cars which seems a fairly widely embracing term.

simon drabble · 21 Apr 2010, 12:15 (Ref:2677272)

am I not right in thinking a 911 won the 67 touring cars championship?

Andrew Kitson · 21 Apr 2010, 12:35 (Ref:2677285)

No, a Ford Falcon did ( Alan Mann Racing ) but Vic Elford and Terry Hunter raced 911s on occasion in the 1968 BSCC & ETCC. Same with the RX7 in the early 80s, more of a sports car than saloon.

johngee · 21 Apr 2010, 13:09 (Ref:2677302)

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Originally Posted by simon drabble

am I not right in thinking a 911 won the 67 touring cars championship?

I think you are Simon. Wasn't it driven by Vic Elford? I certainly remember all the fuss about the 911 being accepted as a touring car and I believe that only lasted for a year?

johngee · 21 Apr 2010, 13:11 (Ref:2677303)

I posted too quickly and without checking the facts. I'm sure that Andrew's quite correct.

simon drabble · 21 Apr 2010, 14:09 (Ref:2677331)

well that blows open the urban myth of one 911 running round in Gent Drivers and Guards claiming to be the 67 ETCC winning car!! Seems the two opposing preppers were correct to collectively raise their eyebrows!!

Andrew Kitson · 21 Apr 2010, 14:37 (Ref:2677348)

A couple of Porsches did run in the 1967 ETCC but I don't think they won the championship. The 1967 BTCC winning Falcon was driven by Frank Gardner.
As ever, Frank De Jong's site is the best place for the saloon history
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong

Jeremy Hall · 21 Apr 2010, 14:55 (Ref:2677354)

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Originally Posted by John Turner

Good question Simon; not sure really but more a saloon than a GT? No idea what they raced in, in period.

Peter, I'm no longer clear what constitutes a Gp1 car in Historics, or maybe I've just forgotten, but I think that maybe Tom Pochciol's Capri is one and maybe Pete Hallford's Z28?

Its a GT after 1966 -eventually homologated in Group 3 on no 587 in order to get an entry at Le Mans.It failed to start. IIRC they raced in 64 as GTP at Sebring, Nurburgring, Le Mans Reims and Montlhery and allegedly one took part in a German rally as a TC in 1965.
Iso/Bizzarini were not very interested in homologation so the Grifo(pre 66) /3500 GT (post 66)was never homologated and ran as a GTP both in Period F and G

simon drabble · 21 Apr 2010, 15:12 (Ref:2677360)

so in short he is good for Cloth Cap as well as Top Hat - maybe there should be a Trilby class for 911's and Iso's!!

**Peter Mallett** · 21 Apr 2010, 16:30 (Ref:2677393)

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Originally Posted by simon drabble

maybe there should be a Trilby class for ......!!

Isn't that the one for Volvos?

Mike Bell · 21 Apr 2010, 17:46 (Ref:2677427)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

A quick question. Were there any Group 1 cars out in the 70s?

Of 14 starters, 8 entered as Gp2, Alfa GTA rep as Invitation (on slicks), 911ST unclassified (!), Camaro, Capri and 2002 as TCA & TCB and Simon's Turner as C1.

Don't ask me what they all mean. (Except Gp2 and Invitation- can just about work them out

)

one-two · 21 Apr 2010, 19:09 (Ref:2677480)

Simon, am I right in thinking that a 911 won the Guards Trophy in 2008 and 2009?

terence · 21 Apr 2010, 19:12 (Ref:2677481)

A little OT,but,for those who use a bit too much kerk.I think the kerbing at Russell should be as used at the S's.The photo shows what happens when someone try's to take a little too much.[When I can get it to upload!!!!!]

In the meantime,heres a picture of 'Minty',rejected by mum at birth,so is now bottle fed. LoL.

Mike Bell · 21 Apr 2010, 19:19 (Ref:2677484)

Mike Bell · 21 Apr 2010, 19:24 (Ref:2677485)

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Originally Posted by one-two

Simon, am I right in thinking that a 911 won the Guards Trophy in 2008 and 2009?

Robert Barrie.

delta · 21 Apr 2010, 20:11 (Ref:2677514)

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Originally Posted by terence bower

A little OT,but,for those who use a bit too much kerk.I think the kerbing at Russell should be as used at the S's.The photo shows what happens when someone try's to take a little too much.[When I can get it to upload!!!!!]

In the meantime,heres a picture of 'Minty',rejected by mum at birth,so is now bottle fed. LoL.

Been off line for a while but is Terry ok.!!!!!

zefarelly · 21 Apr 2010, 20:30 (Ref:2677521)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Isn't that the one for Volvos?

I thought it was a kind of dubbelmossa trophy for volvos?

the trilby cup is For jacked up mk1 capris, MK3 Cortinas and any other essex registered 'mowta' with stilleto heel tear holes in the roof lining.

Morninggents will confirm the flatcap'n'whippet award for hard graft n 25 hour days in due course

grantp · 21 Apr 2010, 20:30 (Ref:2677522)

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Originally Posted by delta

Been off line for a while but is Terry ok.!!!!!

I would guess hungry.

Alex E · 21 Apr 2010, 20:43 (Ref:2677531)

Seem to remember that 911`s were thrown out of the ETCC in 1969-70 for lack of rear passenger head room. It only took them 5 years to notice.....
Alex

zefarelly · 21 Apr 2010, 20:56 (Ref:2677543)

was said headroom not originally achieved by covering a padless seat base of the lowest bespoke variety, probbly a product of the same rumour mill which conceived modern homologated engine specs

LewsDad · 21 Apr 2010, 21:30 (Ref:2677566)

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Originally Posted by terence bower

A little OT,but...

The original topic, or the current one..?

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Originally Posted by zefarelly

the trilby cup is For jacked up mk1 capris, MK3 Cortinas and any other essex registered 'mowta' with stilleto heel tear holes in the roof lining.

I'm drafting the regs as we speak!

<scribbling> stiletto... holes... mandatory...

morninggents · 21 Apr 2010, 22:55 (Ref:2677592)

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Originally Posted by zefarelly

I thought it was a kind of dubbelmossa trophy for volvos?

the trilby cup is For jacked up mk1 capris, MK3 Cortinas and any other essex registered 'mowta' with stilleto heel tear holes in the roof lining.

Morninggents will confirm the flatcap'n'whippet award for hard graft n 25 hour days in due course

Aye lad.

By t'way - 'ow do'st tha get stilleto heels caught in t' roof lining?

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