[WEC] Toyota Hypercar Discussion

[Aysedasi]

Quite agree. I'm rooting for Glickenhaus. I hope they come second to #26......

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Quite agree. I'm rooting for Glickenhaus. I hope they come second to #26......

Regarding me Glickenhaus can come 2nd through finish line between the Nr. 7 and the Nr. 8. Actually it would be pretty awesome!

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Toyotats03OUS

I am a Toyota die hard fan and always will be. I like glicken because they are from my home state of New York about 35 mins away from me but I have to say that they sound a bit arrogant at times, kind of bragging! Idk. Even when Toyota came back to the WEC Audi show tons of class and respect and never underestimated Toyota. But again we are talking about power house car manufacture vs a little priveteer from NY

biggest difference is that audi, toyota and big corporations have PR guys who manage communications of the company, glickenhaus has jim's twitter...

I don't know if can be called arrogance, it has been more about an overhyping way to communicate that backfired on them, like at example passing from "we will win le mans" to "I don't think we have budget for extra le mans rounds".

[Aysedasi]

I confess I've no great desire to see Toyota 1 and 2 again. It's time for a change. Whether that be a Glick or the Alpine or a P2. I don't believe Toyota will run trouble-free to the flag with either of their cars, but we shall see.

[Toyotats03OUS]

Originally Posted by canaglia

biggest difference is that audi, toyota and big corporations have PR guys who manage communications of the company, glickenhaus has jim's twitter...

I don't know if can be called arrogance, it has been more about an overhyping way to communicate that backfired on them, like at example passing from "we will win le mans" to "I don't think we have budget for extra le mans rounds".

Yes that’s true I agree

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by Toyotats03OUS

Yes that’s true I agree

it's an easy mistake sometimes people do... rising the bar too high before being aware of own possibililites...
also pescarolo before LM 2009 made big claims...
even if the undisputed master of this matter is nissan

[Toyotats03OUS]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I confess I've no great desire to see Toyota 1 and 2 again. It's time for a change. Whether that be a Glick or the Alpine or a P2. I don't believe Toyota will run trouble-free to the flag with either of their cars, but we shall see.

Lol I want Toyota 1-2 but I want them to be push and test!! I want them to be challenge.. I’m sick and tired of people complaining that Toyota is wining without any competition ( Audi did it for many years but I don’t remember anyone complaining about it ). Glinken can take third spot for now lol

[Toyotats03OUS]

Originally Posted by canaglia

it's an easy mistake sometimes people do... rising the bar too high before being aware of own possibililites...
also pescarolo before LM 2009 made big claims...
even if the undisputed master of this matter is nissan

Nissan is the perfect example lol.. I would love to see them back in the WEC one day

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I confess I've no great desire to see Toyota 1 and 2 again. It's time for a change. Whether that be a Glick or the Alpine or a P2. I don't believe Toyota will run trouble-free to the flag with either of their cars, but we shall see.

Once again this is not Toyota s fault that they are the only big manufacturer here. a Toyota 1-2 can be for someone boring, but it can make a lot of fans happy.

If they do run trouble-free - or at least without major issues - I guess they d deserve the win also in your eyes.

[greenmachinets040]

Originally Posted by Toyotats03OUS

Lol I want Toyota 1-2 but I want them to be push and test!! I want them to be challenge.. I’m sick and tired of people complaining that Toyota is wining without any competition ( Audi did it for many years but I don’t remember anyone complaining about it ). Glinken can take third spot for now lol

Exaaactly the way I see it too.

According to a lot of fans, Audi won their hearts with the way Audi treated them at their hopitality at LM.

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by greenmachinets040

According to a lot of fans, Audi won their hearts with the way Audi treated them at their hopitality at LM.

In addition to this, Audi received a lot of goodwill by committing to sportscars when the other manufacturers (Toyota included) packed up and left post-1999. People did still give Audi stick for dominating - particularly in 2003(!) - but perhaps not to the extent that would have been expected.

But this is the Toyota thread, so back on topic - I think their runs on Sunday showed the pace is there. Do they go flat-out and rely on building a gap/catching up to overcome any issues, which are far more likely this year than previously?

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by greenmachinets040

Once again this is not Toyota s fault that they are the only big manufacturer here. a Toyota 1-2 can be for someone boring, but it can make a lot of fans happy.

If they do run trouble-free - or at least without major issues - I guess they d deserve the win also in your eyes.

Of course. If they run trouble-free they will easily net 1-2 and will deserve it. And I agree entirely that it's not their fault that the likes of Audi and Porsche ran away from the WEC and Le Mans. We actually have a lot to thank Toyota for.

Originally Posted by greenmachinets040

According to a lot of fans, Audi won their hearts with the way Audi treated them at their hopitality at LM.

They were very good at it - as some Tenthers here can testify to.....

[greenmachinets040]

Does anyone have an info about Toyota s lock up enterin Mulsanne? on TV I did not notice anything.

It is a bit annoying, because I was about to write a quick post about how satisfied I am with Toyotas average- and also peak pace. They seem to run like clockwork - knock on wood - and they are far more dominant as I had expected.

Seemingly there are a lot of people cheering against Toyota and hyping everything they can.

Kobayashi s qualy lap was a bomb! For our betting game for myself I can say that I would surely not win, I expected Toyota to be slower actually in qualy trim! In Hyperpole they could do a 3:24!

[canaglia]

Originally Posted by greenmachinets040

Does anyone have an info about Toyota s lock up enterin Mulsanne? on TV I did not notice anything.

It is a bit annoying, because I was about to write a quick post about how satisfied I am with Toyotas average- and also peak pace. They seem to run like clockwork - knock on wood - and they are far more dominant as I had expected.

Seemingly there are a lot of people cheering against Toyota and hyping everything they can.

Kobayashi s qualy lap was a bomb! For our betting game for myself I can say that I would surely not win, I expected Toyota to be slower actually in qualy trim! In Hyperpole they could do a 3:24!

kobayashi lap was made with little traffic on track during first minutes, don't know how much they could improve during hyperpole.
I honestly don't expect they will be able to find 2 seconds from nowhere, but never say never.
I'm sure toyota guys know that soon or later they will have to deal with brakes issues during the race, anyway during onboards was quite impressive to see how unstable and goofy toyota looks during the fast direction change in the middle of mulsanne chicanes, compared to that ts050 was basically running on rails.
Despite this, during qualifying toyota was 0.6s faster than alpine and best 07 on S3, quite surprising considering how alpine and 07 fit better for porsche sector.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by greenmachinets040

Seemingly there are a lot of people cheering against Toyota and hyping everything they can.

I don't think this is true at all, TBH. Toyota have always had a good following, both here and generally however the last thing most of us want to see is the Toyotas running away and hiding. We want a race and seriously hope that the Glicks and the Alpines or the faster P2s can provide it. It's a classic underdog thing, not a dislike for Toyota as such.

I think Toyota can easily find another couple of seconds - if they want to - but the stupidity of just half an hour of Hyperpole will probably rob us of that - as well as the fact that they just don't need to. All they want to do is lock out the front row.

[Pandamasque]

That's a good point. If there as many incidents as in this FP3 the entire "hyperpole" may be run under slow zones.

[Aysedasi]

Yes, entirely possible!

[Adam43]

It is.

Hopefully the lesser cars and having the top cars will reduce the chance of that.

[Pandamasque]

Anyone knows what attaches to that square piece of velcro? Judging by the giant arrow pointing directly at it, it's something required by the safety regs, but I can't imagine what purpose it could possibly serve.

[Aysedasi]

Isn’t it covering the release for that structure, in the event that the driver needs to be extricated?

[Adam43]

And if it doesn’t work there is a 20 minute hold in the pits.

[Aysedasi]

So that’s what the WRT car fell foul of?

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Isn’t it covering the release for that structure, in the event that the driver needs to be extricated?

Why cover a mandatory release latch though? Especially since they're not even covered on aero sensitive surfaces. And then why cover it with velcro?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Why cover a mandatory release latch though? Especially since they're not even covered on aero sensitive surfaces. And then why cover it with velcro?

Is it the location of the lifting bushes?
If so, they must be covered with a removable, pliable material to prevent ingress of debris.

[Aysedasi]

Could be.....