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Old 4 Mar 2023, 15:10 (Ref:4145731)   #2901
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It's pretty dire. As I don't have a Sky subscription I don't have much choice, if I want a race commentary.
Doomed to listen to Qualifying on Radio 5. I cannot believe the lack of grasp of the implications of an early red flag. I assumed Jack Nichols was some kid who has been used because he is cheap - turns out he is a grown up. Jeez. Now droning on about WD40 DURING QUALIFYING!!!!

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Old 18 Mar 2023, 21:08 (Ref:4147999)   #2902
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Just heard Coulthard say “this is the great thing about F1 , people can get up close and personal with the action”. WHAT?!!! A more elitiest Sport I cannot think of !!!
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Old 18 Mar 2023, 21:45 (Ref:4148051)   #2903
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Gonna give a shout out to Sky for getting Bernie Collins, the strategist most recently from Aston Martin.

Obviously not massively experienced on camera, but her comfort level clearly grew over the FPs and Qually. Very positive contributions, really added to the coverage so far...Looking forward to her input during the race.
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Gonna give a shout out to Sky for getting Bernie Collins, the strategist most recently from Aston Martin.

Obviously not massively experienced on camera, but her comfort level clearly grew over the FPs and Qually. Very positive contributions, really added to the coverage so far...Looking forward to her input during the race.
Totally agree, a great addition.
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Gonna give a shout out to Sky for getting Bernie Collins, the strategist most recently from Aston Martin.

Obviously not massively experienced on camera, but her comfort level clearly grew over the FPs and Qually. Very positive contributions, really added to the coverage so far...Looking forward to her input during the race.
Second that - great to have Bernie on the crew, brings a new dimension and will get better & better as she gets used to camera / commentary.
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Old 19 Mar 2023, 03:51 (Ref:4148245)   #2906
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Gonna give a shout out to Sky for getting Bernie Collins, the strategist most recently from Aston Martin.

Obviously not massively experienced on camera, but her comfort level clearly grew over the FPs and Qually. Very positive contributions, really added to the coverage so far...Looking forward to her input during the race.
Plus another one here. I was very impressed with her matter of fact manner and ability to explain in a manner understandable to the great unwashed.

Usually I have the preamble stuff on in the background but when I saw her on I stopped to watch

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I don't have sky, think it expensive. But having watched the last two races on ch4, there transmission is getting more annoying. I watched last night's transmission, and about every 10 minutes of action, they went into a commercial break. These breaks seem to be getting longer, on average 6/7 minutes. It is ridiculous. 2 laps to go, then a break
I know they rely on these, but why so many?
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Old 20 Mar 2023, 13:15 (Ref:4148452)   #2908
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Not sure, but I think they are only allowed to show a small period of actual racing, so they extend the programme with adverts.
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Yeah but the breaks were positively oppressive in this show. I didn't count them, but there must have been what, 7 or 8?
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Old 20 Mar 2023, 13:26 (Ref:4148460)   #2910
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Possibly better than the actual race though.
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Old 20 Mar 2023, 13:29 (Ref:4148465)   #2911
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Possibly better than the actual race though.
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I don't have sky, think it expensive. But having watched the last two races on ch4, there transmission is getting more annoying. I watched last night's transmission, and about every 10 minutes of action, they went into a commercial break. These breaks seem to be getting longer, on average 6/7 minutes. It is ridiculous. 2 laps to go, then a break
I know they rely on these, but why so many?
Ch 4 is my only option too, and generally, due to 'family pressures' I generally record the highlights show and the watch it on my own the following morning. (I do the same thing with qualifying). That way I can fast-forward through all of the padding, including the adverts and concentrate my watching onto the action, plus anything else that I might find interesting (if I have the time).
In light of this I don't find the adverts (or all of the other dross) annoying at all, plus, if the race proves to be processional, I can fast-forward that too, stopping & re-winding to closely watch anything that catches my eye.
I'd also like to say that, 2 races in, I'm really enjoying Jolyon Palmer's contributions, for me his knowledge & explanations certainly add to the enjoyment.
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Old 20 Mar 2023, 13:43 (Ref:4148468)   #2913
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That's probably the best way to do it. But I tend to like to watch it as soon as I can.

I agree about Palmer, he's been a good addition. His presence also seems to 'temper' Alex Jacques overenthusiasm a little somehow....
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I record the BTCC coverage, and then start watching the recording about an hour after it commenced. That enables me to fast forward all the useless garbage and end up finishing the programme at about the same time as the schedule. Also permits me to pause for bathroom breaks and food and hot drinks without missing anything important.
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Yeah but the breaks were positively oppressive in this show. I didn't count them, but there must have been what, 7 or 8?
I know here the number of minutes of ads per hour is regulated, and limited to 12 minutes per hour with a slight increase in peak hours (6-11pm). No ads in pre-school TV. In non peak hours the ad content (adult orientated, booze etc) is further restricted. I cant remember whether that includes what are classified as station IDs (programme ads/trailers), Sponsored programmes are another category. Community TV are further restricted than general FTA.
Here it is governed by ACMA (Aus Comms & Media Authority)

Without doubt UK would have to meet similar regulations regarding content and quantity, likely on the same sort of system.

Edit: Yes it is regulated as Aus. The UK regulator is OfCom (Office of Communications.) Link follows which outlines all of the above, re amount and content of advertising, how its calculated etc etc. Titled Rules on the amount and Distribution of Advertising.
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Just wondering, if the BBC lose MOTD, which could happen, maybe they can take over the F1 coverage from CH4. Imagine full races and NO adverts. Yaaay
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Like Ch4 they wouldn’t be able to have full races as sky would still have the rights for that. Although that would be great.

And yes E.B. there is a limit to the commercials that can be shown in an hour. Nice document link. Not sure how that squares with 6/7 minutes after ten minute of of action.
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Like Ch4 they wouldn’t be able to have full races as sky would still have the rights for that. Although that would be great.

And yes E.B. there is a limit to the commercials that can be shown in an hour. Nice document link. Not sure how that squares with 6/7 minutes after ten minute of of action.
Yes, I forgot that Sky had the rights to show the races live and in full. But BBC highlights would be better. As for the commercial break timings, I was fed up with them on Sunday night, so I timed them, just to see how long they were, for my own piece of mind.
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Like Ch4 they wouldn’t be able to have full races as sky would still have the rights for that. Although that would be great.

And yes E.B. there is a limit to the commercials that can be shown in an hour. Nice document link. Not sure how that squares with 6/7 minutes after ten minute of of action.

I'm not certain whether SKY has the sole rights to only broadcast the whole and live races in the UK, however I do believe that what C4 shows just amounts to what they pay SKY for their broadcasting. Part of C4's contract does permit them to show the whole of the British GP.

It all comes down to money, after all; nothing to do with sport, which is why SKY got the gig after outbidding others.
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Sky has exclusivity rights as part of their deal with F1. It's part of a wider deal that also includes Germany and Italy.

Note the last sentence - "Sky UK & Ireland will remain the exclusive home of F1 until 2029, having first entered partnership with the sport in 2012. Sky Germany and Italy will retain rights until 2027 with greater exclusivity – with all race weekends exclusively live and home nation races simultaneously live on free-to-air."

Sky has then traded that exclusivity in the UK in a deal with CH4. It's a sublicensing arrangement.
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Moving away from the broadcasters, does anyone else think the "driver's eye view" thing is just tedious? I'd rather watch the cars dancing around corners than see the urgent movement of the steering wheel since I know that's what is happening anyway?
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It doesn't really add much. It cut to one in Jeddah and a move was being made, but I could barely see the car on the inside, so didn't give as much perspective of the action as the normal onboards.
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We don't really need it. Sometimes it can be fun, but it can also be distracting. It's fine at times, but I prefer the normal onboards tbh
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Very tedious and almost unwatchable for me. A pointless gimmick.
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