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24 Jan 2011, 02:38 (Ref:2819702) | #51 | |
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Day by day, I'm starting to think Brundle is a very bitter man.
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It doesn't matter how good/bad Martin Brundle was as a driver.
He's a media pundit now and even if he was an English Giovanni Lavaggi whilst driving, in his role as media pundit and as a fan of the sport he should call it as he sees it. I think Brundle was an excellent driver but in F1 got very unlucky. Each and every year, it was wrong place, wrong time. |
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To start a real arguement. How about drivers who had the car and never rose above it to make it win. I am discussing drivers who only won with the winning car under them and never made a non winning car win. 1st candidate? David Coulthard? |
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I reckon for the races when he needed to perform, you probably mean F1 for Detroit and '92 for the Spa example? Not really sure that Brundle was 'better' than Alesi. The amount of times Jean had his Ferrari's further up the road than they belonged (for example, Mexico 1991 was an inspired drive until he spun it out of contention), or times where they simply broke down (think Monza '94 when he was miles in the lead) meant he would have won loads more races just for Maranello. He generally couldn't hold a candle to Prost most of the time in 1991 but then that isn't something to sniff at for any driver. I reckon he was the quickest teammate Alain had after Senna. |
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Angus that's a good idea, but do you think you might fancy starting a new thread for this subject?
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As for Alesi and Monza 94. His great friend Nigel Roebuck even reported what he did. Alesi half selected 1st gear, let the clutch up and stripped the gear. He then repeated the action on 2nd gear. Hardly the cars fault. |
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Clearly I chose the wrong example for my response to you, but there were plenty of other ocassions when something or someone ruined his chances of the top result. |
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If Sir Jackie Stewart had said something similar to this, would we be questioning his credibility so intensely
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As for would we question it if JYS HAD said what Brundle did...... lets not forget in a similar vein within the last month or so JYS has already stated that he rates the current Formula 1 pack as the 'best ever', and believes the likes of Sebastian Vettel can be compared to legends such as Jim Clark, Jack Brabham and Graham Hill. He copped an awful lor of criticism for that little gem. Even in this forum. |
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Come to mention it not many guys 'got on' with Benetton chassis' designed around Michael did they?!!! |
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Well Johnny Herbert, with assistance from Damon Hill, won twice in 95 and that is with two broken legs to one.
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Nigel Roebuck talks about it in this month's Motorsport. He was talking to Berger and said that the 96 Benetton was nuts to drive, that the car was all front end so much so it was almost like there was no rear wheels! He said, in his lengthy career, that he'd never experienced a car like it. If there is any substance to that it might half explain Schumacher's woes this year.
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Schu loved the front end going in first with a wobbly rear IIRC. He should still love that now? |
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The cars got more and more Schue esque from 1993 onwards. Patrese struggled, Lehto broke his neck trying to drive the thing hard, Jos and Johnny struggled and then it was Alesi and Berger. The one thing in common incidentally about these guys is that they've all been considered overrated by people (not all of them by Brundle I must say) and I wonder if this is because of their times at Benetton!!! |
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