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13 May 2006, 14:29 (Ref:1607909) | #1 | ||
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Farina's Winning First Ever Formula 1 Race
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Did you realise that you're posting this on the anniversary of the race?
Also, is it just me who gets annoyed when Farina is constantly included in lists of debut achievements? |
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Sorry.not the first ever F1 race,but the the first world championship race.
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Sorry thats what I meant... all the same
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This suggests it was
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Paul, all that says is that it was 'The first World Championship race'. The comment that it was not the first race run to F1 regs doesn't make the two statements mutually exclusive, since it appears that both are strictly true. However, I'm not that hung up about Farina being credited with a debut achievement as Vitesse is, since he certainly was the first winner of the first race counting towards the first World Championship!
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The first official World Championship for GP racing was run in the 1920s Formula 1 was the GP formula from 1947, as Vitesse says, and covered probably 30 European races each year from then until 1951. From 1950 the placed men in a handful of the more important of those races were allocated points towards a new World Championship. Farina did not win the first world championship race and he did not win the first Formula 1 race. He did win the first world championship Formula 1 race |
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I should have learned to choose my words more carefully by now, with you looking over my shoulder all the time, David! I was, of course, aware of previous world championships and of previous F1 races. My 'crime' was to fail to include 'F1' in my statement vis-a-vis 'first World championship'!
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As David's pointed out, there was a previous AIACR World Championship for three years in the 1920s, but as that was purely for manufacturers the strictly accurate statement is that Farina was the winner of the first race for the FIA World Championship for Drivers. To be honest, including "F1" in the mix is just a way of further muddying the waters, since the title was awarded on the results of races run to F2 in 1952 and 1953. |
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I'm quite happy for the thread title to be changed, I was just excited after getting back with a fistful of goodies
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I'm with Vitesse on this
Giancarlo Baghetti won on his Formula 1 debut, at Syracusa in 1961 He also won on his World championship debut, at Reims in 1961 Tony Brooks won on his Formula 1 debut, at Syracusa in 1955 Mario Andretti and Carlos Reutemann made their Formula 1 and Championship debuts from pole position. Although technically Farina won and set pole on his World Championship debut, it is not the same achievement at all. The terms Formula 1 race, World Championship qualifier, Grand Prix, and Grande Epreuve (do these still exist?) are simply not the same. |
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Wouldn't it make the rest of the thread impossibly comfusing?
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Yes it would wouldnt it...lets do it
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After the FISA voted in April 1980 to terminate the existing "world championship" series which had been created by the CSI in the Fall of 1949 to commence in 1950, it created a new "Formula One World Championship" effective with the 1981 season, thereby making the 1981 Long Beach Grand Prix the first actual "Formula One World Championship" event.
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You probably have, it's in Formula One Unseen Archives by Tim Hill, Page 14. So it's a Daily Mail photo. Don, Thanks for the FOCA/FISA/FIA reminder - I can never remember the year. A shrewd move on the part of M. Balestre. |
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There seems to be an inability on the part of most of our part to refer to it by its correct name from 1950 until 1980: championnat du monde des conducteurs or the world championship for drivers. Doing so would reduce the likelihood of any confusion with the original CSI world championship the began in 1925 and was for manufacturers and not drivers.
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