The broad sunlit uplands of next March. Yeah, really. .

[Peter Mallett]

Indeed. He does realise that America had increased vehicle tariffs for EU products?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Indeed. He does realise that America had increased vehicle tariffs for EU products?

Don’t think he intends to export cars from Germany to USA....

Off topic- Ford officially announcing your EV next week!

[Peter Mallett]

He's going export them somewhere.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

He's going export them somewhere.

The rest of Europe, according to press speculation.

[Tel 911S]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Probably best not to!

Interesting that Elon Musk gave one simple reason for deciding to build their new European car factory in Germany rather than UK..... Brexit.

Despite what the media say , Musk had already decided to build his new factory in Germany by 2014.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...esla-anything/
And in 2016 was buying up German engineering companies to get ready for it .
So that was way before even the referendum.

But it is not just the media who lie about the EU .
In 1971 , when we joined the EEC , documents show that the long term plan over 30 odd years was that the EEC would change into an all controlling state which would take over our sovereignty .And their laws would overrule any of ours , they would even be able to set our taxes & control just about anything they wanted .
http://www.acasefortreason.co.uk/fco-30-1048/
But civil servants & a few politicians decided that the people, [ & most of Parliament ], must not know what was in store so they kept the truth hidden for over 30 years .
And now the media has been mostly made to be anti Brexit , the truth is hardly ever told .

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

The rest of Europe, according to press speculation.

Not sure that equates to exporting.

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Don’t think he intends to export cars from Germany to USA....

No, I suspect he is trying to undermine the European options for marketing to the US.

Berlin, however, is not the most obvious choice of manufacturing operation location other than for its proximity to the seat of power in Germany.

Plus it may offer more by way of interest for visitors - especially wealthy CEOs - than, say, Frankfurt.

Stuttgart and Munich are already pre-occupied.

Berlin is also surrounded by the rump of East Germany and the rather poor local economics that goes with it.

UK was hardly likely to have ever been in their sights.

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Just think how much money could have been put to good use if we hadn’t wasted so much on this car crash that is Brexit. Makes me really worried for the country all this mess we’ve made

what money, exactly? (one or two good examples will do).
What mess? I cannot detect any change whatsoever, can you give an example?

[midgetman]

Well, the fact that we've had governmental paralysis for three years to start with. Saint Theresa's Queen's Speech was the thinnest for some time, with basically only the Brexit bill.

The fact that in 21st Century Britain there are food banks. The fact that there's a housing crisis where young people can't afford to get into housing on an average wage. The fact that the NHS is so badly managed that only 84% of people are seen in A&E within four hours (I believe it's management as much as funding at fault). The fact that large swathes of Scotland sees no advantage to staying in the Union. The fact that we *are* losing work to other parts of the world, whether it's "Brexit related" or just "natural wastage." Clearly for whatever reason many companies don't see the UK as a viable location to work in.

And that's just for starters. To quote a former Prime Minister - "Crisis? What crisis?"

And all the Labour party can do is offer idiotic bribes like "free" Broadband. We're doomed I tell ye, doomed.

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[S griffin]

And what’s more we’ve been through a change of PM twice in four years, which must be a record. No strong and stable government here

[grantp]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Well, the fact that we've had governmental paralysis for three years to start with. Saint Theresa's Queen's Speech was the thinnest for some time, with basically only the Brexit bill.

The fact that in 21st Century Britain there are food banks. The fact that there's a housing crisis where young people can't afford to get into housing on an average wage. The fact that the NHS is so badly managed that only 84% of people are seen in A&E within four hours (I believe it's management as much as funding at fault). The fact that large swathes of Scotland sees no advantage to staying in the Union. The fact that we *are* losing work to other parts of the world, whether it's "Brexit related" or just "natural wastage." Clearly for whatever reason many companies don't see the UK as a viable location to work in.

And that's just for starters. To quote a former Prime Minister - "Crisis? What crisis?"

And all the Labour party can do is offer idiotic bribes like "free" Broadband. We're doomed I tell ye, doomed.

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Could be worse Max.

Germany has been living with negative interest rates for deposits for some time.

And they have some of the most expensive electricity in the world.

Worse still their cars have very poor reputations for reliability and longevity in the USA despite the Germans having manufacturing plants there.

They seem to have taken over the (relative) volume sales and poor reputation from the Brits.

The problem is that without Germany, in particular, the EU economy looks decidedly dodgy.

Then again whose economy doesn't look dodgy?

[midgetman]

The whole world's teetering on the edge of recession simply because as individuals we can't keep on growing our consumption. If we spend less - and I know a lot of people are tightening their belts either by design or it being forced upon them - then the only way to grow an economy is to have more people buying. And as a country we've decided we don't want to grow the market this way.

So the economy contracts. It's bound to, there's only so much tat we can add to.our lives. Basically we're well sorted in the UK. Our cars are lasting better so we don't change them so often. TV? PC? Mine are fine thanks, I don't need to constantly upgrade any more, they're cleverer than I am. We can't stave off recession, it's just how we manage it that matters.

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[MGDavid]

many would argue that governmental paralysis is a GOOD thing; keep them busy on Brexit so they don't have the time to think up more ways to tax and control the people.

I'm still waiting for *any* examples of 'all the money wasted on Brexit' (implication being that these sums are significant enough to make a difference if spent elsewhere).
Ditto examples of 'the mess we're in' (implication that it's caused by Brexit).

Fiscally and economically we are in a very stable state compared with my experience of the last 50 years.

[S griffin]

I’m just thinking of the money we could have invested into social security, health care etc. For me it seems Brexit has overshadowed everything and that can’t be right

[Peter Mallett]

What money hasn't been invested in those things? If you mean there was more then possibly but none of it has been expended on Brexit AFAIK.

[Mike Bell]

Just think, without brexit and the forthcoming election, we wouldn’t have the labour promise of free full fibre broadband to every home by 2030, or the conservatives pledge to restore rail routes closed Beeching in the ‘60s!

OMG who to vote for.........

[Peter Mallett]

The rail routes actually do make sense especially if there is a pledge to reduce emissions. The broad band thing is never going to be free since the increased taxes needed to pay for it would be crippling. It demonstrates the old philosophy that using someone else's money is always free.

[Mike Bell]

Totally agree about the rail lines, but many of the routes (in Norfolk at least) are now housing, industrial estates or cycle ways.....

[Peter Mallett]

Yes, I'm sure they won't be able to re open every route. That said, on the A41 near Aylesbury they built a new railway station on the Chiltern line to meet the needs of a new housing development, so it's not entirely fanciful.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

And what’s more we’ve been through a change of PM twice in four years, which must be a record.

Far from it - in fact it happened as recently as
Blair - Brown - Cameron 2007-2010

And before that it was quite common:
Wilson - Callaghan - Thatcher 1976-1979
Heath -Wilson - Callaghan 1974-1976
Wilson - Heath - Wilson 1970-1974
Macmillan - Douglas-Home - Wilson 1963-1964
Churchill - Eden - Macmillan 1955-1957
Attlee - Churchill - Eden 1951-1955

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

The broad band thing is never going to be free since the increased taxes needed to pay for it would be crippling. It demonstrates the old philosophy that using someone else's money is always free.

Heard an interview with a boss of BT today, who outlined some of the costs involved with rolling out free high-speed broadband to all in a nationalised scheme:

£30-40 billion to install
£5 billion per year in lost revenue
£50 billion pension fund liability to be absorbed

All of which will fall to the tax payer - so everyone gets free broadband by paying for it.......

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I’m just thinking of the money we could have invested into social security, health care etc. For me it seems Brexit has overshadowed everything and that can’t be right

You must be quite young and very naive if you think that any money not spent on Brexit, another war, or whatever is in vogue with the govt. of the day would find its way back to the population in either tax cuts or increased social services, it doesn't happen, never has and never will.

[Mike Bell]

I can’t begin to imagine the chaos that will be caused if they try to install fibre to every house in my small town, let only cities!

When will we be able to get satellite? Has to be more sensible....

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Tel 911S

And now the media has been mostly made to be anti Brexit , the truth is hardly ever told .

Err - the media seems to be very pro-brexit (anything Murdoch controlled is for a start), then there's The Daily Mail (although to be fair I don't think it's possible to have a Brexit hard enough for most Mail readers - that would probably involve physically relocating the British Isles into the mid Atlantic)

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

I can’t begin to imagine the chaos that will be caused if they try to install fibre to every house in my small town, let only cities!



When will we be able to get satellite? Has to be more sensible....

That was my thought. Digging up every street and every garden in GB isn't going to be popular.

As for re-starting the railways Most of them aren't there. They all lost money hence they were closed in the first place.

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