Goodwood 77th Members' Meeting

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

And recently, Honda Civic.

...and I think the Subaru's were estates?

An Alfa 156 Sportwagon has raced in the Alfa chanpionship, I seem to remember, also a van in the VW series.

Many years ago a Mini Pick-up complete with hard-top raced in special saloons.

[Gerard C]

What Goodwood wants Goodwood has! While we are here, do you remember the Peugeot 806 seen at Spa and built by the excellent team Kronos?
http://www.endurance-classic.com/fr/...heures-de-spa/
A typical belgian story because the drivers were Flamish, Wallon and Bruxellois! Des garçons qui ont la frite! 1995 may be?

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by SamBinfield

Not to mention a Wolseley Hornet - I have a a bit of a soft spot for the Hornet and the Elf


I was quite surprised to see the Countryman - there are some pictures on Facebook of the build by Owens Fabrication. When I have looked in the past it seemed that most touring car series included a regulation along the lines of "2+2, estate and van models not permitted" - can anyone shed any light upon this? I assume because those models are not "touring cars" per se - obviously in this case Goodwood can choose whichever models they like for their grid, but what about the regular Pre-66 series?


I wonder if there are any period examples of those models racing, surely it has happened in club level events.

Not circuit racing I know but there was a supercharged Mini Traveller that used to compete in Autocross locally in the late 60's early 70's, known affectionately as 'Woodworm'!
(Presumably the one entered for Goodwood being a Countryman will be the model without the wood?)

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Not circuit racing I know but there was a supercharged Mini Traveller that used to compete in Autocross locally in the late 60's early 70's, known affectionately as 'Woodworm'!
(Presumably the one entered for Goodwood being a Countryman will be the model without the wood?)

No, it’s a woody, from the pic on Goody website.....

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

No, it’s a woody, from the pic on Goody website.....

A woody from Goody Mike? Very good!

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Not circuit racing I know but there was a supercharged Mini Traveller that used to compete in Autocross locally in the late 60's early 70's, known affectionately as 'Woodworm'!
(Presumably the one entered for Goodwood being a Countryman will be the model without the wood?)

Traveller was a Morris, Countryman an Austin, both woodies although I think they were eventually built without wood. The Clubman estate just had a plank of plastic along the side.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by John Elwin

Traveller was a Morris, Countryman an Austin, both woodies although I think they were eventually built without wood. The Clubman estate just had a plank of plastic along the side.

Thanks John, I'd just assumed...
I wonder if the wood was an extra cost or what they now call a 'no cost delete option'? I remember both versions being available at the same time back in the day.

[Gerard C]

Do you think they will invite some diesels in the coming years?

[midgetman]

I don't remember a Mini Estate without the wood on the side. We had a van converted with windows in, but it definitely started life as a van not an estate.

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[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I don't remember a Mini Estate without the wood on the side. We had a van converted with windows in, but it definitely started life as a van not an estate.

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The all-steel Mini Traveller/Countryman was introduced in April 1961, initially for export only, and then brought onto the home market in October 1962.

It's all here! www.minitravellerandcountrymanregister.org

[Mike Harte]

Having just looked at a picture from the site that John has linked to, it does jog my memory and I can remember them back then.

In fact, thinking about it, I seem to recall that there is a video on Youtube where one was used to be a camera car on a track to film a competition car in action on a track - can't remember either the track or the car in question.

[KA]

Originally Posted by John Elwin

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Many years ago a Mini Pick-up complete with hard-top raced in special saloons.

Looking back to the 70's Special Saloon scene there was also Ginger Marshall's Clubman estate

[zefarelly]

One of my Dads photo's . . . . speed trials around 1971 I think. fully fia compliant by the look of it.

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by KA

Looking back to the 70's Special Saloon scene there was also Ginger Marshall's Clubman estate

I don't recall the Clubman, just his Reliant Kitten. Does that class as an estate?

[Duddha]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Do you think they will invite some diesels in the coming years?

Already done Gerard, Peugeot 90X are there this weekend for demonstration...

[Gerard C]

Wonder what is fitted at the rear of Joe's dad picture… Tail parachute or tow ball?

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by Duddha

Already done Gerard, Peugeot 90X are there this weekend for demonstration...

Ha yes? How fast things go, looks modern to people of my age. I guess they're using a FAP (Filtre Ã* Particules) also said Particle Filter. Probably we'll see Touring Cars like 3 Series Bimmers an other Pugs very soon then.

I see tickets are sold out. Already a success.

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by John Elwin

I don't recall the Clubman, just his Reliant Kitten. Does that class as an estate?

The Clubman was before his Kitten, but if I remember correctly (which isn't so often nowadays!) was the same (or a similar) colour.
I suppose the Kitten was a further development of the same thing.

[Gerard C]

Could someone with influence turn on the free live streaming button please?
Asking is for free and if you dont ask…

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

Could someone with influence turn on the free live streaming button please?
Asking is for free and if you dont ask…

I have yet to try it (obviously!) but not sure what is live.... from the Goody youtube account. Maybe the total 'free' package is only for Goody Fellows members?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uoMNP8sLug

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[morninggents]

Originally Posted by SamBinfield

I was quite surprised to see the Countryman - there are some pictures on Facebook of the build by Owens Fabrication. When I have looked in the past it seemed that most touring car series included a regulation along the lines of "2+2, estate and van models not permitted" - can anyone shed any light upon this? I assume because those models are not "touring cars" per se - obviously in this case Goodwood can choose whichever models they like for their grid, but what about the regular Pre-66 series?
I wonder if there are any period examples of those models racing, surely it has happened in club level events.

HRSR/HSCC Historic Touring Cars has almost exactly that wording excluding 2+2 and estate cars/vans in it's regulations.


Back in the late 50s/early60s there was an Austin A30 or A35 pick-up raced in the north at Croft, Full Sutton, Ouston, etc. plus hillclimbs at Catterick Garison. The driver was well known here up north but I've forgotten his name! The car still exists and is regularly displayed at the Croft Nostalgia meeting in August. I've talked to it's present owner several times. Can't find a pic on the interweb unfortunately.

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by morninggents

HRSR/HSCC Historic Touring Cars has almost exactly that wording excluding 2+2 and estate cars/vans in it's regulations.


Back in the late 50s/early60s there was an Austin A30 or A35 pick-up raced in the north at Croft, Full Sutton, Ouston, etc. plus hillclimbs at Catterick Garison. The driver was well known here up north but I've forgotten his name! The car still exists and is regularly displayed at the Croft Nostalgia meeting in August. I've talked to it's present owner several times. Can't find a pic on the interweb unfortunately.

Just did a quick search - Jimmy Blumer raced a Downton-prepared A35 Pick-up on the Northern & Scottish circuits.

Didn't he subsequently race a Cortina, either GT or Lotus?

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by John Elwin

I don't recall the Clubman, just his Reliant Kitten. Does that class as an estate?

The Clubman was interesting because its roof was depressed by air pressure to the rear. A perfect demonstration of the aerodynamics and was inspiration for the TWR Volvos. *Not my research, I recall reading about it in C&CC.

[morninggents]

Yes, Jimmy Blumer. I don't remember him racing Cortinas but MkI or MkII Jags come to mind and sports racing cars of different types.

[John Elwin]

Originally Posted by morninggents

Yes, Jimmy Blumer. I don't remember him racing Cortinas but MkI or MkII Jags come to mind and sports racing cars of different types.

In 1962 he shared an Equipe Endeavour Jaguar Mk2 with Mike Parkes to win the Motor Six Hours & then in 1963 he came fifth overall in the BSCC with an Alan Andrews Racing Cortina GT. As you say, he also raced various sports cars.