[LM24 Race] 2019 24 Hours of Le Mans: ACO/FIA WEC '18/'19 Season Finale

[OmerRS]

Originally Posted by Articus

Latest safetycar has wiped out most of GTE Pro....

Top 2 (Porsche Ferrari) appear behind 1 safety car. The rest of GTE over a minute behind in the second or third SC queue.

3rd car dropped 2 minute 40 seconds behind.

[chernaudi]

This might have messed up the race in more ways than one. Toyotas probably separated, GTE Pro split into packs, and this and the last slow zone might play hell with Adam's math for distance this year.

[Articus]

Do the right thing ACO....make the 92 Porsche and the 51 Ferrari drop back to the next safety car queue.....this is ridiculous.

[chernaudi]

I don't know why the still use pace cars now that they have FCY available to them? I know that it'd be a pain to use one pace car, but it's just as bad as 2-3. I guess it's pick your poison.

[Articus]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

I don't know why the still use pace cars now that they have FCY available to them? I know that it'd be a pain to use one pace car, but it's just as bad as 2-3. I guess it's pick your poison.

Some people have suggested they need safety car to allow ambulance or medical cars free reign to get where they need to go as quickly as possible.

[chernaudi]

I thought that the purpose of FCY is to keep order and have the cars going around basically at pace car speeds.

[Articus]

The issue with the safety car in GTE Pro is that once a safety car splits the field, it's nearly impossible to get that time back. The pace you would need to drive, to get yourself into the next hypothetical safetycar queue and behind the leaders, is not allowed by the BOP....All future safety cars will simply open the gap back up to around 1-2 minutes.

Unless the 92 Porsche and 51 Ferrari stumble, this race is between those two...the 92 Porsche benefited from this last year.

[gert]

SC will be coming on this lap

[Livininthinair]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

I thought that the purpose of FCY is to keep order and have the cars going around basically at pace car speeds.

WITHOUT changing the running order or intervals between cars - that's the primary function of a FULL COURSE yellow. More than one safety car just does not work unless they are willing to wave cars past if needed.

[Articus]

Gap between 2nd and 3rd in GTE Pro has blown out to 1minute 20 seconds thanks to Safety car. Ridiculous. When will these people learn??

[chernaudi]

I'd say use just one pace car, but then SC FCYs would take even longer to sort out.

Just use VSC FCYs from now on.

[Martin90]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

I'd say use just one pace car, but then SC FCYs would take even longer to sort out.

Just use VSC FCYs from now on.

even one safety car is inevitably going to cause splits. FCY works best of all

[chernaudi]

Am I right in thinking that the Toyotas are running a lot of turbocharger boost? The engine is only 2.4 liters, but only revs to maybe 7000rpm max.

[marcel82]

Originally Posted by Articus

Do the right thing ACO....make the 92 Porsche and the 51 Ferrari drop back to the next safety car queue.....this is ridiculous.

the issue with that idea is: with the speed the SC is going, you bascially have to park both cars for a while. during that time the engine is getting overheated, and tyres and brakes are cooling. if you then remove the SC, those cars get an unfair disadvantage.

You do need an SC in certain circumstances, for safety reasons. under FCY the cars are still going about the same speed as a car on most european motor ways. that's still pretty fast, and to have them pass frequently as you're cleaning the track or evacuating an ambulance... it's not recommended.

[chernaudi]

I thought that under FCY they can only go at pace car speeds?

[Articus]

Unless the 92 Porsche, and 51 Ferrari slip up then this is just a repeat of last year.

Any future safety cars will just maintain the 1 minute lead for the top 2 cars. 3rd place would have to close down the gap by a full minute on pace, in order to get back into contention...But BOP makes sure that's impossible.

[marcel82]

yes. that's still 80 km/h. in Belgium, we're only allowed 70 on the motorways (120 on the highways)

[Maelochs]

of course, they could run the first SC at 70 kph and the second at 80 and the third at 90, and closer up into a single pack, withdrawing the second and third cars before withdrawing the fist SC. Le Mans is long enough to need three SCs, it is also long enough that emergency vehicles could still get out on track in the gaps, which could close up slowly thereafter.

[marcel82]

yes, but what if you're second in class, and the leader in your class ic picked up by SC3, and you're picked up by SC1?

[marcel82]

oh no, SMP gone off

[Articus]

TV director did a good job making it seem like BMW left already

I hope they are back next year with RLL.

[gert]

Orudzhev ...

[chernaudi]

Am I right in believing that this is another pace car?

[Ferrari333SP]

Dang, that sucks


Really would like to see an SMP or Rebellion get closer to the Toyotas

[Maelochs]

I wouldn't have thought the Rebellion was fixable .... not sure about the SMP .... both ends look fairly damaged.