EASTERN CREEK BACK!!!!!!!!!!

Tourer · 21 Apr 2012, 20:49 (Ref:3063298)

August date now at Eastern Creek:
http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/04/22/...cars-calendar/

anthony81901 · 21 Apr 2012, 21:45 (Ref:3063318)

Maybe V8$A has sought to make peace with the ARDC in the expectation that the NSW government will not renew the deal to bankroll Homebush after 2013? It was the stated position of Premier Barry O'Farrell in the run up to last year's election.

**GTRMagic** · 22 Apr 2012, 00:33 (Ref:3063390)

Does anyone want to go??

Wonder who will pay the teams' costs to run that additional round of the series?

alfacors · 22 Apr 2012, 02:35 (Ref:3063410)

Any team with some modicum of forward planning will have budgeted for the TBA round until such time it was confirmed or cancelled.

Tourer · 22 Apr 2012, 03:44 (Ref:3063424)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Does anyone want to go??

Wonder who will pay the teams' costs to run that additional round of the series?

Not an additional round though - exactly the same number first announced with the only change being venue.

**GTRMagic** · 22 Apr 2012, 03:52 (Ref:3063428)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Not an additional round though - exactly the same number first announced with the only change being venue.

It is an additional round. If the series were to be off to Bahrain in November as originally intended, the financial contribution from the people doing the inviting would have covered all transport & accommodation costs, as well as making some contribution to team operating costs thru REC income.

To run at Eastern Creek instead, the teams need to fly all of their crew in, accomodate them, feed them, and pay to operate the cars. So net-net, the teams are likely to be at a financial disadvantage running at Eastern Creek as opposed to running in Bahrain.

Wonder if being unable to secure the overseas round is wht Mr Whitaker has been much rumoured to be seeking alternate opportunities?

SilverSpeed · 22 Apr 2012, 04:08 (Ref:3063436)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

It is an additional round. If the series were to be off to Bahrain in November as originally intended, the financial contribution from the people doing the inviting would have covered all transport & accommodation costs, as well as making some contribution to team operating costs thru REC income.

To run at Eastern Creek instead, the teams need to fly all of their crew in, accomodate them, feed them, and pay to operate the cars. So net-net, the teams are likely to be at a financial disadvantage running at Eastern Creek as opposed to running in Bahrain.

Wonder if being unable to secure the overseas round is wht Mr Whitaker has been much rumoured to be seeking alternate opportunities?

That was never the case, BIC said at the start of last year that they didn't plan on having the V8s back any time soon.

**GTRMagic** · 22 Apr 2012, 04:19 (Ref:3063437)

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Originally Posted by SilverSpeed

That was never the case, BIC said at the start of last year that they didn't plan on having the V8s back any time soon.

Yet VESA released a calendar with a TBA...

Tourer · 22 Apr 2012, 03:51 (Ref:3063427)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Having said that, it was said on a number of occasions that perhaps the only way the VESA mob and the ARDC would get in a room together was if they were forced to... imagine if a landlord (NSW Government..) had a hand at introducing the love between the two parties, as a managed exit from the other event...

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Also need to bear in mind that both VESA & ARDC are now very different organizations - Archer now very much running VESA with TC a high level employee (allegedly) & ARDC with a new CEO & General Manager.

Good time to start afresh.

mtpanorama · 22 Apr 2012, 04:03 (Ref:3063431)

This round now falls the weekend before Muscle car masters. MCM has always attracted huge crowds with its fathers day date and it spectator friendly atmosphere, not to mention some beautiful machinery on display and racing.
This would already be marked into a lot of peoples calenders and I cant see them changing to go to V8sc. I can see MCM attracting a bigger crowd than V8SC.

Driver TBA · 22 Apr 2012, 04:06 (Ref:3063433)

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Originally Posted by mtpanorama

I can see MCM attracting a bigger crowd than V8SC.

Hasn't it always? Don't think that will ever change.

Tourer · 22 Apr 2012, 04:42 (Ref:3063442)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Yet VESA released a calendar with a TBA...

Because it was a TBA - was never suggested it might be Bahrain that I can recall.

Was always a possibility that a TBA could be an Australian round - totally agree with your earlier post that an offshore round costs the teams less but when a round is TBA, any team not budgeting for the possibility of it being an Oz round would be foolish.

You should also bear in mind that many teams have Australian sponsors who see less benefit in offshore rounds & pay accordingly - some teams MAY puck up some additional income now that the TBA location is known.

**GTRMagic** · 22 Apr 2012, 05:10 (Ref:3063444)

When the series didnt go to China for the second year, Tasman lost a large sponsorship deal with Smorgon Steel.

Swings & roundabouts...

**GTRMagic** · 22 Apr 2012, 06:34 (Ref:3063453)

"Eastern Creek a one off" - D.Malone

racer69 · 22 Apr 2012, 09:11 (Ref:3063506)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

"Eastern Creek a one off" - D.Malone

A one-off deal to impress, and the event is only announced four months out, and part-way through the current season....

What do either of them have to gain (if you take the article at face value)?

Tourer · 22 Apr 2012, 09:22 (Ref:3063510)

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Originally Posted by racer69

A one-off deal to impress, and the event is only announced four months out, and part-way through the current season....

What do either of them have to gain (if you take the article at face value)?

I guess that both parties have a chance to see how they work together as it's been some time and plenty of different people in both organisations.

After that, who knows? if it works and there's a good crowd then could be back to the Creek on a basis that works for both parties.

D.R.T. · 22 Apr 2012, 09:23 (Ref:3063511)

Quite a funny scenario.

Looking back at all of Tony Cochranes bravado from 2008 and now this about turn from VESA

Very amusing.

Strange Tony has been so quiet on this announcement?

Jason Bright's comment about Sydney was also strange - is he that out of the loop in regards to the state of the Sydney street event?

Shane001 · 22 Apr 2012, 09:30 (Ref:3063514)

It will be interesting to see how this fares for spectators considering MCM the following weekend. Somehow I can't see this contributing to an ongoing positive relationship with V8 & ARDC. Could end up being the final nail...

Shane001 · 22 Apr 2012, 09:33 (Ref:3063517)

I really hope ARDC is not paying V8's for the privilege of hosting the event in return for takings at the gate. From memory this was the problem last time? V8's charging too much and everyone in Sydney staying home due to the rain!

alfacors · 22 Apr 2012, 23:19 (Ref:3063925)

Does anyone remember if V8SA promoted the last event at EC? Or was it ARDC? Maybe this time around it is a track hire only contract, with V8SA taking care of the promotion of the event? There was a decent crowd for the test day last year, so people *do* go there for V8s.... but at a greatly reduced cost to a regular round. Ticket pricing may be the nail in the coffin for the event methinks.

Axeman444 · 22 Apr 2012, 23:42 (Ref:3063935)

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Originally Posted by alfacors

Does anyone remember if V8SA promoted the last event at EC? Or was it ARDC? Maybe this time around it is a track hire only contract, with V8SA taking care of the promotion of the event? There was a decent crowd for the test day last year, so people *do* go there for V8s.... but at a greatly reduced cost to a regular round. Ticket pricing may be the nail in the coffin for the event methinks.

ARDC are promoting.

AS suggested, this will be a toe in the water exercise with each party assessing after the event with an announcement on a yay or nay for 2013 shortly after I would expect.

Given OP used to always get the turnout as it was far superior spectator wise to EC, does that mean EC will now get the spectator turnout as it is far better spectator wise than Homebush? It would have my $$

**GTRMagic** · 22 Apr 2012, 23:24 (Ref:3063926)

So... What support categories shall be on the undercard?

The national categories' calendars are set... so it doesnt seem promising...

Maybe it will be like some F1 events overseas, the V8Supercars are the only ontrack event for the weekend

Uncle Cranker · 22 Apr 2012, 23:32 (Ref:3063930)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So... What support categories shall be on the undercard?

The national categories' calendars are set... so it doesnt seem promising...

Maybe it will be like some F1 events overseas, the V8Supercars are the only ontrack event for the weekend

Classes are sure to be thin on the ground, especially given that all the National series supports are also moving to Winton in Nov.

You can almost rule out any Historic type cars, with Muscle Car Masters (and the Winton long track histroics) being so close.

Here are a few that could stump up some cars....

Radicals
F'Vee
The Qld Gemini series

I.P.
HQ's
And if you ask the AASA nicely, they could get a field of Super TT that would put on some great racing.

mtpanorama · 11 Jun 2012, 11:08 (Ref:3088916)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So... What support categories shall be on the undercard?

The national categories' calendars are set... so it doesnt seem promising...

Maybe it will be like some F1 events overseas, the V8Supercars are the only ontrack event for the weekend

Improved Production will be one of the support categories. Anyone want to sponsor a mid field running rx7 for the entry fee

alfacors · 23 Apr 2012, 00:02 (Ref:3063944)

IIRC FFord had their final round at Surfers until the Winton move. A switch to EC would ensure they still have their big finale at Surfers rather than Winton. Any others in a similar position?

Supports? Radicals could get a great field with Radical HQ based at EC. Aussie Racing Cars? Formula 3?

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