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Does T-O-C have a realistic chance of standing on the podium and taking away points from the regular championship contenders?
Airwaves are probably also looking at the independent title. Does Ollie Jackson stand a realistic chance of finishing ahead of Mat Jackson? Is it now going to be more difficult for Thompson to finish ahead of Nash? |
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There is nothing stopping Thompson running without the ballest in the races, he simply would be excluded for being underweight and as points are not important to him he could at least be right at the front to help Jackson. (not suggesting this is done of course)
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14 Oct 2011, 07:30 (Ref:2970875) | #1929 | |
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Points are important. Thompson will help Jackson by finishing ahead of his rivals and taking points off them. Unless you are suggesting that Thompson is there to harpoon off Jackson's rivals?
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14 Oct 2011, 09:44 (Ref:2970953) | #1930 | |
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Exactly... Thompson needs to have a legitimate points finish in order for his presence in the team to be of any value at all. If he crosses the line in third place, ahead of the Hondas and Chevrolets, but is subsequently disqualified, the others will be promoted and his participation will have been futile [from Motorbase's perspective].
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Another team capable of scoring highly in the independents substitutes their driver(s), and they don't have to carry ballast. As per the sporting regs. Yet motorbase field a 3rd car, that is forced to carry ballast for more than one meeting because they substitute their driver. I know people have said it's at Alan Gow's discretion, but it goes against the sporting regs and appears like favouritism. Why bother with the regs at all, if they are not going to be applied fairly across the board? At least the 'parity' measures have regulatory backing! |
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14 Oct 2011, 17:24 (Ref:2971230) | #1933 | |
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I still don't see Alan Gows argument, how do you define an inexperienced rookie?,
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14 Oct 2011, 18:33 (Ref:2971259) | #1934 | ||
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Team dynamics twitter:
"Wooah. Just arrived at the garage to find this. There will be some fireworks this weekend ... http://yfrog.com/j2k15iwj " Hang on - what would a chevrolet WTCC driver be doing in a works Honda racing against his paymasters? Last edited by kezza7; 14 Oct 2011 at 18:39. |
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14 Oct 2011, 18:42 (Ref:2971266) | #1935 | |
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I would have thought that was pretty easy to define - a driver new to the series who doesn't have years of motorsports experience behind him. Pretty much a spot on description of Aron Smith and Ollie Jackson.
That said we don't NEED to define it, it means whatever Alan Gow says it means! I don't understand why people are getting so worked up about this. The regulations allow for up to 45kg of late entry ballast at Gow's discretion, and that has been in effect for many years. They aren't doing anything here that isn't already in the regulations and they aren't doing anything that hasn't been done many times in previous seasons. |
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I must admit, I don't know the full RML/silverline/chevy/BTCC/WTCC to know how obliged Muller would be to support the BTCC chevy team. Awesome coup for Honda though, and could definitely produce big fireworks. It does seem to be a regular theme now that plenty of drivers are willing to assist Plato's rvals? He doesn't seem to have drivers queuing up to help his cause though? |
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14 Oct 2011, 19:03 (Ref:2971278) | #1938 | |
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Wow its scary how gullible some people are.
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If Herbert and Reid carried the 45kg ballest when they were brought in then fair enough but its still a stupid rule. |
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I imagine just a wind-up on Team Dynamics part. Quite funny though.
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Indeed, history has shown that 3rd cars brought in to bolster the squad for the final weekend haven't exactly fared well because of ballast/lack of practice/familiarity with the car.
http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=6866 |
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Yes, you do get the impression that TOCA try and discourage the practice by using 'late entry ballast' to make it more difficult for an extra car to have any meaningful effect on the outcome, without going as far as actually banning it....
Think one of the most extreme cases of it I can think of was back in the Supertouring days- IIRC it was the Italian series in the late 90's, when with the title battle coming down to Audi v BMW, both drafted in their German STW Cup teams to support the regular Italian entries at the last round- IIRC it ended up with each manufacturer fielding about half-a-dozen cars! |
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A solution would be to not allow an entry from any driver who hadn't raced at the penultimate round. That might solve a few problems..... (although unfortunate for the likes of Thorney, obviously).
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