2007 Australian Sports & GT Championship

[Onlooker]

Any sign of an enrty list as yet, the first race is only 2 weeks away and I would have thought they would have locked in the drivers bye now

[noaxetogrind]

Originally Posted by Senna05

That point has been clarified, and they will be gone in 2008.

Minor point of clarification; I believe the series is currently intending to run to full FIA GT3 regs from 2009, so 2008 will be the last year of the bitsas. Not sure what implications the homologation issues currently being experienced in FIA GT3 series are going to have on all this though.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by Onlooker

Any sign of an enrty list as yet, the first race is only 2 weeks away and I would have thought they would have locked in the drivers bye now

not much doubt about your interest Onlook-R, i'm interested ..... ground control to Messrs Little & Wagg, anyone, hello are you out there ....

[Senna05]

Originally Posted by noaxetogrind

Minor point of clarification; I believe the series is currently intending to run to full FIA GT3 regs from 2009, so 2008 will be the last year of the bitsas. Not sure what implications the homologation issues currently being experienced in FIA GT3 series are going to have on all this though.

Thanks for the clarifications, mate.

In all fairness, my point is saying that you have some guys going to buy the real deal, then others spending less (alot less in some cases) to have a car rock up, that MAY win on the day.

i see why we allow them in, and that it's critical in the birthing of the formula in this nation (See - allowance of BMW's in the first year of GP3A/V8's), but when push comes to shove, we need to look after those who are seriously buying GT3 cars....

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Senna05

In all fairness, my point is saying that you have some guys going to buy the real deal, then others spending less (alot less in some cases) to have a car rock up, that MAY win on the day.

Yes but those people are going to have to buy a GT3 spec car eventually, so why not buy one now instead of getting a car now and then a new in 2 years. Also running a GT3 car means you cut out the issue of the overhanging worry about rev cuts, extra weight and so on, eg. the Huglin car in 06.

[noaxetogrind]

Originally Posted by Senna05

Thanks for the clarifications, mate.

In all fairness, my point is saying that you have some guys going to buy the real deal, then others spending less (alot less in some cases) to have a car rock up, that MAY win on the day.

i see why we allow them in, and that it's critical in the birthing of the formula in this nation (See - allowance of BMW's in the first year of GP3A/V8's), but when push comes to shove, we need to look after those who are seriously buying GT3 cars....

Totally agree and I think the rules at present are a good compromise that look after the guys spending the big dollars (as they are the ones who will have a long term series to compete in and hence their cars will have some chance of retaining their value) whilst still allowing the guys spending less money to run in the transitional period and hopefully help get grid numbers up. Can't imagine the one's spending less money are going to have much chance against the factory cars in any event but you never know. Certainly that car Scott Bargwanna drove at Eastern Creek in late November was pretty quick in the right hands...

Hopefully all this theory will be borne out in practice and the series will see some growth in grid numbers this year. Still no sign of entry list?

[noaxetogrind]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Yes but those people are going to have to buy a GT3 spec car eventually, so why not buy one now instead of getting a car now and then a new in 2 years. Also running a GT3 car means you cut out the issue of the overhanging worry about rev cuts, extra weight and so on, eg. the Huglin car in 06.

I imagine its a question of cost. Somewhere near the end of the 2006 GT thread someone had posted the prices of the GT3 spec cars and they were more than double the cost of the second hand 996 cup cars for sale on my105. For me, that remains the big question about how successful the transition to full FIA GT3 spec is going to be. To more than double the capital cost will almost certainly rule a bunch of current competitors out, no matter how much they like being in the series. Unless of course there are second hand cars coming out of Europe at big discounts...

As for buying a GT3 car to deal with the issue of rev cuts, extra weight and so on, I don't think it makes any difference. I think the series has benchmark times for each circuit and it doesn't matter who beats the benchmark or what type of car they are in, the category will add weight, adjust ride height, restrict revs etc to try and bring that car/driver back to the benchmark. I saw lots of complaint about this approach in last year's thread but at the end of the day, that system produced a series where the winner wasn't decided till the last round, there were plenty of different drivers won individual races, and the guy most people would think was the best driver (Crick) won the championship. In practice, there weren't any cars capable of beating the benchmark anyway with the exception of Huglin's car with Simonsen at the wheel. I could never understand why these guys would rather go and race at state level and beat the field by miles (literally) when they could have competed at GT and enjoyed much closer racing and quite probably still have won the series (I think Simonsen won all of the GT rounds he competed at in Huglin's car?)

[jd yort]

Off the topic but on the topic. Whose Viper was this originally???

http://www.my105.com/classified.asp?id=6732

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by noaxetogrind

For me, that remains the big question about how successful the transition to full FIA GT3 spec is going to be. To more than double the capital cost will almost certainly rule a bunch of current competitors out, no matter how much they like being in the series. Unless of course there are second hand cars coming out of Europe at big discounts...

That is why such a long transition period was given. To slowly phase the cars out and phasing into the competitors minds that they eventually would have to get GT3 spec cars.

Buying a GT3 car now is cheaper than purchasing another car now, racing it for 2 years and then needing to buy a GT3 car for 09. Probably easier for me to say cheaper long term

No doubt that some will be forced out but the advantages of GT3 outweigh the negative.

Originally Posted by noaxetogrind

As for buying a GT3 car to deal with the issue of rev cuts, extra weight and so on, I don't think it makes any difference. I think the series has benchmark times for each circuit and it doesn't matter who beats the benchmark or what type of car they are in, the category will add weight, adjust ride height, restrict revs etc to try and bring that car/driver back to the benchmark.

Are there benchmark times or is it the Porsche 996 GT3 that is a benchmark car for the series in its current format ?

Its much easier and smaller adjustment to a GT3 car as opposed to trying to slow down a GT2 car to the speed of a Porsche GT3

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by jd yort

Off the topic but on the topic. Whose Viper was this originally???

http://www.my105.com/classified.asp?id=6732

I suspect it is the Ray Lintott car that Mr Bates drove wildly at Bathurst till it ran out of brakes

[Silver 3]

[QUOTE=Senna05]Thanks for the clarifications, mate.

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There you go - how perceptive. Fancy calling noaxetogrijnd -- mate-- that would be Terry-- mate noaxe etc. DRT will be pleased the two of you can push the wagon as hard as you can go. The only problem is you are still pushing the propaganda line--- why don't you simply post the entry list as has been repeatedly asked. How long ago did entries close? Why won't you publish them?
Given the you are the C---s love child are you able to ignore the rules that seem to apply to everybody else and keep accepting entries beyond closing ? how do you manage that? Above all else-- what is wrong with publishing what you have-- you haven't been to shy about making them up in the past!

[noaxetogrind]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Are there benchmark times or is it the Porsche 996 GT3 that is a benchmark car for the series in its current format ?

I understand there are benchmark times which are based on what a 996 GT3 cup car is capable of (1:34 at Eastern Creek I think). I don't know what happens if you beat the benchmark in a 996 cup car (they lower the benchmark or parity adjust you) but if you place in the top 3, you will get some weight added as success ballast. As I said above, the only car to beat the benchmark times in a meaningful way was the Huglin Ferrari. As a matter of interest, is that a GT3 car or a GT2 car? If its a GT2, how come it was allowed to run (parity adjusted or otherwise) but GT2 porsches weren't?

[noaxetogrind]

[quote=Silver 3]

Originally Posted by Senna05

Thanks for the clarifications, mate.

l QUOTE]

There you go - how perceptive. Fancy calling noaxetogrijnd -- mate-- that would be Terry-- mate noaxe etc. DRT will be pleased the two of you can push the wagon as hard as you can go. The only problem is you are still pushing the propaganda line--- why don't you simply post the entry list as has been repeatedly asked. How long ago did entries close? Why won't you publish them?
Given the you are the C---s love child are you able to ignore the rules that seem to apply to everybody else and keep accepting entries beyond closing ? how do you manage that? Above all else-- what is wrong with publishing what you have-- you haven't been to shy about making them up in the past!

Am I meant to be Terry or is senna05 Terry or is DRT Terry? Who is Terry anyway? If I had an entry list I would publish it as I am interested to see if the rumoured new cars for 2007 are going to be here. If Terry has the entry list, can he publish it?

And Silver3, to borrow a line from Beverly Hills Cop when Eddie pretends to be a drunk to disarm the crook in the strip joint... "man, where is all this hostility coming from? You've changed..."

[XW GT]

Question - Why did the GT/Porsche category opt out of being a core category/share holder of the CNRC when they are going to be part of the CNRC (four rounds) in 2007? Mr Little and Wagg must have bigger fish to fry!

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by noaxetogrind

And Silver3, to borrow a line from Beverly Hills Cop when Eddie pretends to be a drunk to disarm the crook in the strip joint... "man, where is all this hostility coming from? You've changed..."

I wouldnt worry to much about it. Silver is just adding new characters to the story inside his head.

Originally Posted by XW GT

Question - Why did the GT/Porsche category opt out of being a core category/share holder of the CNRC when they are going to be part of the CNRC (four rounds) in 2007? Mr Little and Wagg must have bigger fish to fry!

Did they opt out or did CAMS opt them out ? Was it considered hard to be a core category when you run half your championship outside the Nationals ?

[Simon S]

fair bit of miss-info on here re: the lotus's

the so called 'basterdised' Honda powered one as you put it is far from a one-off.

one was first raced in Brit GT back in 2003, subsequently, there are now well over 200 road cars with this engine install, and several race cars in several countries.

Yes, there is a Lotus GT-3 car in AU now (and I am sure the owner will pipe up when he is ready) it's chassis number 1 as raced here in Brit GT last year, however, as it stands, it's NOT a homologated GT-3 car (Lotus have yet to do the paperwork etc). so far, there are only 3 of these cars from Lotus.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by noaxetogrind

As I said above, the only car to beat the benchmark times in a meaningful way was the Huglin Ferrari. As a matter of interest, is that a GT3 car or a GT2 car? If its a GT2, how come it was allowed to run (parity adjusted or otherwise) but GT2 porsches weren't?

The Huglin Ferrari 360GT is a GT2 car.

GT2 Porsche's are allowed in. The car David Wall raced in 2006 is a GT2 car.

[Senna05]

[QUOTE=Silver 3]

Originally Posted by Senna05

Thanks for the clarifications, mate.

l QUOTE]

There you go - how perceptive. Fancy calling noaxetogrijnd -- mate-- that would be Terry-- mate noaxe etc. DRT will be pleased the two of you can push the wagon as hard as you can go. The only problem is you are still pushing the propaganda line--- why don't you simply post the entry list as has been repeatedly asked. How long ago did entries close? Why won't you publish them?
Given the you are the C---s love child are you able to ignore the rules that seem to apply to everybody else and keep accepting entries beyond closing ? how do you manage that? Above all else-- what is wrong with publishing what you have-- you haven't been to shy about making them up in the past!

Ummm... Sliver3, previous outbursts to each outher aside, I merely thanked him for the clarification. If you have an issue with that, PM me. I'm over thoe whole public ****ing contests.

[Senna05]

Actually, Mods, May I make a suggestion? Is it possible to make a PRO GT3 thread for those of us who want to comment on the RACING, and then an ANTI GT3 thread for people who wish to bash the administration?

[EfiOz]

Originally Posted by Senna05

You've totally missed my point, matey. Totaly...

It read completely differently to me, hence my observation that abusing illicit drugs before mid day may be affecting your judgement!

It all makes sense now.

[noaxetogrind]

Originally Posted by racer69

The Huglin Ferrari 360GT is a GT2 car.

GT2 Porsche's are allowed in. The car David Wall raced in 2006 is a GT2 car.

Thanks. If I recall correctly, wasn't part of the "anti GT category mgt" point of view of Silver3 the fact that someone's Porsche GT2 had been excluded from racing last year? If that is true (that a GT2 had been excluded) I can understand why people would be upset about the category management when other GT2 cars are allowed to run. If my recollection is poor, then what is the reason that Silver3 is upset with the category?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Senna05

Actually, Mods, May I make a suggestion? Is it possible to make a PRO GT3 thread for those of us who want to comment on the RACING, and then an ANTI GT3 thread for people who wish to bash the administration?

[mod hat on] While that would be an interesting option, the real problem would be that the discussion would more than likely degenerate into some of the personal insults that have sometimes appeared in the regular discussion... having a dedicated "hate" thread would encourage this.. so it isnt going to happen... Sorry [/mod hat off]

[Chucky]

Originally Posted by noaxetogrind

If my recollection is poor, then what is the reason that Silver3 is upset with the category?

I dunno. I think he's just anti-anti.

[Silver 3]

Originally Posted by noaxetogrind

Thanks. If I recall correctly, wasn't part of the "anti GT category mgt" point of view of Silver3 the fact that someone's Porsche GT2 had been excluded from racing last year? If that is true (that a GT2 had been excluded) I can understand why people would be upset about the category management when other GT2 cars are allowed to run. If my recollection is poor, then what is the reason that Silver3 is upset with the category?

So a point of view that does not fit your view of the world should not be heard.What a joke. Those associated with the GT series have persistently published"wish list" entries as a fact.Much discussion ensues about competitors that were never going to be there . What purpose does that serve-- the answer is that it masks the inadequecies of the concept,and is constantly used by the apologists for the GT series to justify the chosen path.
What is so hard about publishing an entry list? Entries closed long ago, so why attack me for pointing it out.

[Chucky]

It's a month to the fist round of the The Australian Sports/GT Intermarque Championship. How long 'til we see there entry list.

They have, what? 60-70 cars by now wouldn't they, Silver?