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Old 22 Jun 2018, 18:02 (Ref:3832551)   #276
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Keep in mind that because of the new schedule these regulations would not be for Le Mans 2020, but for the season that starts after that in late 2020. Somewhere around August/September. First time Le Mans for these new top class cars would be 2021, so it would be Daytona 2022 at the earliest were IMSA to adopt the same regulations for them.
That's what I assumed but Hindy on RLM said his understanding was it was for the 2019 season, and the Le Mans 2020 race. Which is far too early to be workable IMO.
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That's what I assumed but Hindy on RLM said his understanding was it was for the 2019 season, and the Le Mans 2020 race. Which is far too early to be workable IMO.
That's how everyone else has been reporting it, 2020 rules are written to apply for 2020 LM season. Which means cars will have to start soon, think the guys at Rebellion had said the rules would need to be out in the next 2-3 months to be able to design, build and test before the start of the 2019-2020 season in late 2019. Unless they abandon the fall 2019 events and start 2020 with Spa that spring, never understood the winter schedule obsession. Thought it should start with a Gulf area event, Spa, LM, Silverstone, Nurburg/Monza/other, China, Fuji, Austin, Gulf area 2 if needed. Not an exhaustive list, just quick thoughts.

Either way the cars would likely not be introduced into IMSA until the end of this DPi deal, believe 2022 Daytona so they would have at least a year of separate rules if IMSA was to adopt them. But I would assume Acura would vote yes (or at least sure why not, that's our NSX design), GM would consider it, Ford would likely say yes if they said anything, with Mazda and Nissan likely passing. Mazda hasn't hung their hat on hybrids on the street and Nissan has spent less on their DPi than I did on liquor for PLM '17.

More interesting would be others not involved, McLaren, VW (Audi/Lamborghini/Bugatti), Hyundai/Kia (ever present rumors and well they are pushing their $50k V8 Stinger). And then of course the chassis manufacturers if they can build a car with 'generic' styling. And would Toyota sell or race their car in the big US events, and as Toyota or Lexus?

It will be an interesting time, not necessarily a great time but at the very least interesting. And in both protoptypes and the future of GTs.
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Old 23 Jun 2018, 04:25 (Ref:3832596)   #278
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That's what I assumed but Hindy on RLM said his understanding was it was for the 2019 season, and the Le Mans 2020 race. Which is far too early to be workable IMO.
I think Hindy got that wrong, eveything I've read about it from every source talks about the 2020 season as being the start of this new era. Anyway, sort of offtopic since for IMSA it won't matter anyway because of the DPi homologation.
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I think Hindy got that wrong, eveything I've read about it from every source talks about the 2020 season as being the start of this new era. Anyway, sort of offtopic since for IMSA it won't matter anyway because of the DPi homologation.
I think you're right, but it's going to be a challenge either way!
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I don't see IMSA adopting the "hypercar" rules because of the cost.

One reason IMSA didn't go with P1 is because there isn't the money to be made in racing in North America, and none of the manufacturers---and they all have plants in the U.S.---see any benefit to spending huge dollars racing in IMSA.

That is one thing the Grand-Am crowd brought in---one of the good things---the idea that cars which were crazy expensive were bad for business.

DPis use (basically) existing chassis because no one wanted to build special chassis just for IMSA.

If IMSA went to the 2020 WEC standard, it would have to balance DPi and a second top class (which has never worked, ever) and it would have to find a way to keep its existing manufacturers happy, while bringing in some hypercar teams and somehow make it seem to make sense to bother bringing those cars to IMSA in the first place.

If only one hypercar showed up, it would completely unbalance IMSA rules ... and possibly a one-off hypercar would win Daytona, taking the prize away from all the year-round DPi teams.

IMSA really has no incentive to follow FIA/ACO on the new 2020 regs. It has found a formula which is keeping the fans and the manufacturers pretty happy.

What would it benefit anyone to try to follow FIA in 2020, when IMSA has succeeded by Not following FIA up to now?
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Big question is of course do the (potential) participating manufacturers want hybrid or not? Pretty sure Ford would commit to the series if IMSA were to follow the proposed ACO regs, Toyota might be interested as well. Early signs are that the current manufacturers aren't too keen on hybrid but if GM and Honda would be in favor, it'll probably swing the momentum.
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Big question is of course do the (potential) participating manufacturers want hybrid or not? Pretty sure Ford would commit to the series if IMSA were to follow the proposed ACO regs, Toyota might be interested as well. Early signs are that the current manufacturers aren't too keen on hybrid but if GM and Honda would be in favor, it'll probably swing the momentum.
I'd say GM is truly the swing vote, they've had the most cash in for years and the most cars. But at the same time are the least willing to take a risk of Toyota, Ford and Honda it seems. Hopefully GM has at a least been in on the meetings in a useful manner to have something to present to the board.

Although it feels like the Vette at the China WEC event is GM seeing the writing on the wall about join, or win LM, or that invite might be harder to get. Now most people would think not inviting the Vettes would be insane but it is the ACO, has sanity ever been a part of the decision process?
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Although it feels like the Vette at the China WEC event is GM seeing the writing on the wall about join, or win LM, or that invite might be harder to get. Now most people would think not inviting the Vettes would be insane but it is the ACO, has sanity ever been a part of the decision process?
Actually, why do the Corvettes get auto-invites every year? A lot of teams and factories are being told they have to run the entire WEC season to get an invite but Corvette always takes up two places by default without doing anything for it. Except now of course, when they seem to acknowledge the value of WEC in different markets with their entry at Shanghai which is a good thing for all involved.
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Technically so did Ford and Porsche. They are only entitled to entries for the two WEC entries. The American entries are invites.

Corvette hasn't changed their stance regarding WEC. Chevy US pays for the IMSA team and doesn't want to pay for international motorsport outside of Le Mans. The Shanghai entry is being paid for by a Chinese division.
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Good point about Ford and Porsche, even though I think they should be restricted to three entries max.
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Totally agree - three should be the limit. And apply it sensible. I know JCDC Earned about 28 automatic entries through some creative naming of the entries, and whilst that's very good business, it'd have been better for common sense to come in and only allow 2-3 of those in.
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Actually, why do the Corvettes get auto-invites every year? A lot of teams and factories are being told they have to run the entire WEC season to get an invite but Corvette always takes up two places by default without doing anything for it. Except now of course, when they seem to acknowledge the value of WEC in different markets with their entry at Shanghai which is a good thing for all involved.

No, running the entire WEC season is the only GUARANTEED way to get an invite to Le Mans. The WEC has never attracted enough cars to fill the field at Le Mans, and the ACO is well aware of this. They fill the field with invites giving priority to things like champions of certain series like ELMS or IMSA. But even those don't fill up the rest of the field, so they have discretion to make other invites as they see fit.
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No, running the entire WEC season is the only GUARANTEED way to get an invite to Le Mans. The WEC has never attracted enough cars to fill the field at Le Mans, and the ACO is well aware of this. They fill the field with invites giving priority to things like champions of certain series like ELMS or IMSA. But even those don't fill up the rest of the field, so they have discretion to make other invites as they see fit.
The WEC grid is capped due to garage sizes at most tracks.

And Sprinkles knows why and how invites are given out, he's just pointing out Corvette are always guaranteed them.
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Basically if you're either full time WEC or a factory team or one of the better ELMS/IMSA teams, you're pretty certain of getting into Le Mans--if you want to go.
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Totally agree - three should be the limit. And apply it sensible. I know JCDC Earned about 28 automatic entries through some creative naming of the entries, and whilst that's very good business, it'd have been better for common sense to come in and only allow 2-3 of those in.


I suppose in terms of a "BOP" argument to prevent excessive spending, then GTE manufacturers should be limited to 2 cars each.
However it's a tricky thing to police. The Ford and Porsche efforts are two entirely different teams. That rule would also prevent any privateer GTE Pro teams. Risi would not be able to enter if AF Corse lockup the Ferrari "allocation" in the class.

We all know that GTE Pro and maybe LMP2 were the only classes worth watching at LM this year and until we get another manufacturer in LMP1. As long as LMP1 stays Toyota vs the Privateers, then the more GTE Pro cars, the better.
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Ehh, but bAck to IMSA 2019!

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A potential "here we go again" story.


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Well, that story only has legs if Alonso remains in F1 next year. Which in my eyes is actually looking increasingly... unlikely.
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WEC issue anyway, not IMSA's.
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The latest on Belle Isle, per the the Detroit News: Now Texas Motor Speedway wants the date after Indy for its IndyCar race, citing the uncertainty surrounding the Detroit race’s future. Key quotes:

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“It’s always a negotiation. It’s always a compromise situation,” Denker said. “We’ve listened to people that don’t want our event there and we made a lot of compromises this year, less time on the island, and we’ll continue to evaluate that so once we submit our proposal to the DNR we’ll see where that goes. My intention is that we’ll continue on, but I can’t tell you that’s going to happen 100 percent yet because we haven’t got the deal done.”
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The article, like most on the future of Belle Isle, doesn't mention IMSA. Not a surprise, given they aren't the headliner, but also not great for the IMSA. If Belle Isle continues, IMSA though might still be handcuffed into the current arrangement given the importance of GM and Penske to the series.
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I don't believe that the Detroit Indy Car weekend itself would exist without Penske and GM. If it goes for Indy Car, I doubt that IMSA would stick around.
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I don't believe that the Detroit Indy Car weekend itself would exist without Penske and GM. If it goes for Indy Car, I doubt that IMSA would stick around.
It's clearly an IndyCar event with IMSA just there as a support series. The race happens in what is now Michigan's largest state park and there's a fair amount of local opposition to the event. The promoter is trying to continue the race but needs to cut a new deal with the Michigan Department of Natural Resources for the race to happen in 2019 and beyond. No deal, no race for IndyCar or anyone else in 2019.

That said, it may not be a given that even something is working out, that IMSA continues as part of the IndyCar weekend. (I think it's likely, but who knows what conditions are imposed in the negotiations with the state and then what happens between the organizer and IMSA.)
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If the deal for Detroit falls though, how about one of these two ideas? A rival of the Texas Motor Speedway roval (if it's still usable) if IMSA still wants to team with Indy Car, or if they still want to race in the Detroit area, why not one of the road course layouts at Michigan International Speedway? Are any of the layouts for MIS still usable?
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IMSA doesn't really want to team with IndyCar except where the only way to get into an important market is via a shared weekend (with IMSA effectively as the costar) with the AOWR series. If IMSA for some reason wanted to run the Texas roval (the track's website says it still exists), then they likely could do it on their own race weekend.

MIS seems to still have some sort of roval, but I have no idea why IMSA would want to race there. The Indy roval would be a better option if IMSA feels it needed another Midwest race to replace Belle Isle should it disappear. That said, I can think of many tracks I'd rather see IMSA race on than some roval. One per season is enough.
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