IMSA IMSA : 2019 - Page 18

FormulaFox · 6 Aug 2018, 21:41 (Ref:3841952)

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Originally Posted by Articus

If Ford wanted to enter DPI, what chassis manufacturer would they use? It was luck that

Nissan = Ligier
Mazda = Riley
Cadillac = Dallara
Acura = Oreca

Considering the relationship with multimatic, would Ford want to use the poor Riley platform?

Ligier/Onroak may be looking for a new DPi partner soon.

gsmith2424 · 7 Aug 2018, 12:36 (Ref:3842081)

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Originally Posted by Articus

If Ford wanted to enter DPI, what chassis manufacturer would they use? It was luck that

Nissan = Ligier
Mazda = Riley
Cadillac = Dallara
Acura = Oreca

Considering the relationship with multimatic, would Ford want to use the poor Riley platform?

The fundamental flaw (the cockpit size) of the Riley wasn't addressed with the joker fixes they were granted. Unless they can get another mercy fix granted to them to change the tub to fix the cockpit size the Riley is done. I'm really surprised Joest didn't push more for that fix (and different engine) when they took the program over from Speedsource.

So in short no I don't see Ford going with the Riley unless they know they can push the EcoBoost more to make up for the drag of the Riley tub.

Coach Ep · 7 Aug 2018, 13:44 (Ref:3842094)

Not based on anything substantial but I find it no surprise to see the Ford DPi rumors/stories resurfacing again after the DPi-P2 split was announced.

Also, the Oreca is clearly the dominant P2 chassis but as a DPi platform? Utilizing a Multimatic chassis might be a disadvantage compared to the Oreca but nothing BoP can't fix. Look at the Cadillac DPi vs. Dallara P2 achievements.

EffectiveSprinkles · 7 Aug 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3842109)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Not based on anything substantial but I find it no surprise to see the Ford DPi rumors/stories resurfacing again after the DPi-P2 split was announced.

And in typical fashion, it starts with a clickbaity headline and wildless speculation, only to then be simply denied by the manufacturer in question.

Articus · 7 Aug 2018, 17:35 (Ref:3842157)

Doesn't take much leap to gander that Ford will be in IMSA in 2020. The question they are trying to determine is whether or not the IMSA car will be legal in the WEC (aka unified platform).

DPI would be trivial considering they don't have to construct a chassis.

canaglia · 7 Aug 2018, 19:38 (Ref:3842187)

If ford dpi will become real, whatever chassis they are going to use, hope the car will something more than a standard lmp2 with different nose/lights. Something a l�* mazda.

FormulaFox · 7 Aug 2018, 20:08 (Ref:3842192)

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Originally Posted by gsmith2424

The fundamental flaw (the cockpit size) of the Riley wasn't addressed with the joker fixes they were granted.

The cockpit size is not a fundamental flaw with the Riley. It would have to be DP big before properly shaping it would be unable to overcome it's size, and it's nowhere close to that big.

TF110 · 7 Aug 2018, 23:31 (Ref:3842216)

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Originally Posted by FormulaFox

The cockpit size is not a fundamental flaw with the Riley. It would have to be DP big before properly shaping it would be unable to overcome it's size, and it's nowhere close to that big.

I thought the cockpit size takes up space on the sidepods because it is part of the survival cell, is it not? Unless it's just windscreen width. They don't sit on top of the car... That could compromise cooling and aero if that's the case

FormulaFox · 8 Aug 2018, 04:10 (Ref:3842231)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I thought the cockpit size takes up space on the sidepods because it is part of the survival cell, is it not? Unless it's just windscreen width. They don't sit on top of the car... That could compromise cooling and aero if that's the case

There's plenty of space in the sidepods to get around the potential cooling issues - Joest has indicated that was indeed something they had to fix, and based on how things have gone I'd say they got that right(the fire at Daytona was an exhaust problem, not an engine cooling problem). So I wouldn't call that making a larger cockpit a "fundamental" flaw - the real flaw was in how they worked around the tub size. And that's without even taking into account that the areas below what's visible from the outside can still be shaped to allow for even more sidepod space despite the width of the bubble on top.

As for aero, a wider cockpit isn't going to affect the sidepod aero much at all, so it's just the part that sticks up that's the issue. And like I said, at the size difference we're talking, the shape(both front and back) will have a far larger effect.

In short, while the tub itself COULD be fundamentally flawed, the SIZE of it is not itself the flaw.

NaBUru38 · 8 Aug 2018, 13:45 (Ref:3842318)

Splitting the prototypes class is stupid. There's about a dozen cars now. Having 8 cars in one class and 4 cars in another will be boring. Everybody gets a podium!

MaskedRacer · 8 Aug 2018, 15:04 (Ref:3842347)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Splitting the prototypes class is stupid. There's about a dozen cars now. Having 8 cars in one class and 4 cars in another will be boring. Everybody gets a podium!

I agree that its silly. The DPI makes are pushing it to eliminate the nescience (threat) that the smaller operations like JDC and CORE are providing. Especially Cadillac and Acura. I guess its like the establishment media not liking alternative options such as Infowars. So they are trying to persuade big tech to hold the them down. Same concept. Substitute CNN/NBD for GM and Honda. JCD/CORE for Infowars. IMSA for Google/Facebook.

**joeb** · 8 Aug 2018, 15:08 (Ref:3842349)

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Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I agree that its silly. The DPI makes are pushing it to eliminate the nescience (threat) that the smaller operations like JDC and CORE are providing. Especially Cadillac and Acura. I guess its like the establishment media not liking alternative options such as Infowars. So they are trying to persuade big tech to hold the them down. Same concept. Substitute CNN/NBD for GM and Honda. JCD/CORE for Infowars. IMSA for Google/Facebook.

That is a terrible analogy.

CyberMotor · 8 Aug 2018, 15:14 (Ref:3842350)

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Originally Posted by joeb

That is a terrible analogy.

Agree

JLGarcia · 8 Aug 2018, 15:36 (Ref:3842356)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I agree that its silly. The DPI makes are pushing it to eliminate the nescience (threat) that the smaller operations like JDC and CORE are providing. Especially Cadillac and Acura. I guess its like the establishment media not liking alternative options such as Infowars. So they are trying to persuade big tech to hold the them down. Same concept. Substitute CNN/NBD for GM and Honda. JCD/CORE for Infowars. IMSA for Google/Facebook.

Likening Core & JDC to Sandy Hook truthers is fantastic stuff. Best fans in the world!

Akrapovic · 8 Aug 2018, 17:23 (Ref:3842375)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I agree that its silly. The DPI makes are pushing it to eliminate the nescience (threat) that the smaller operations like JDC and CORE are providing. Especially Cadillac and Acura. I guess its like the establishment media not liking alternative options such as Infowars. So they are trying to persuade big tech to hold the them down. Same concept. Substitute CNN/NBD for GM and Honda. JCD/CORE for Infowars. IMSA for Google/Facebook.

When CORE claim that IMSA poison the water to turn the frogs owned by Cadillac homosexual, then this analogy works.

Articus · 8 Aug 2018, 19:37 (Ref:3842394)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Splitting the prototypes class is stupid. There's about a dozen cars now. Having 8 cars in one class and 4 cars in another will be boring. Everybody gets a podium!

Isn't GTLM 8 cars? That doesn't seem to be a problem at all.

TF110 · 9 Aug 2018, 03:55 (Ref:3842435)

Don't think he meant it so literally, but more like the big guys don't want the little guys to compete. Which means that's a really good analogy. Maybe not popular choices in the names he picked, but Facebook just called Infowars a rival. Are not p2's rivals to dpi? Maybe less inflammatory 'news' sources could be used as an analogy next time

Anyway, not much talk here about the C8R that SC365 have spy pics of. Makes a nice sound, but an unfamiliar one associated with Corvette.

**joeb** · 9 Aug 2018, 11:24 (Ref:3842475)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Don't think he meant it so literally, but more like the big guys don't want the little guys to compete. Which means that's a really good analogy. Maybe not popular choices in the names he picked, but Facebook just called Infowars a rival. Are not p2's rivals to dpi? Maybe less inflammatory 'news' sources could be used as an analogy next time

Anyway, not much talk here about the C8R that SC365 have spy pics of. Makes a nice sound, but an unfamiliar one associated with Corvette.

I did not expect to hear a turbo back there. The Corvette sound is going to be missed.

chernaudi · 9 Aug 2018, 13:06 (Ref:3842509)

Reminds me of how the old R8 LMP sounded.

Bcarr6 · 9 Aug 2018, 14:38 (Ref:3842543)

JDC to caddy with 2 cars in 2019

Coach Ep · 9 Aug 2018, 15:03 (Ref:3842548)

because it's so hard to post a link....

https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/j...-dpi-for-2019/

Wonder if we'll SoD back with their Cadillac DPi - or might they switch to a P2 (and almost do a straight swap with JDC) to fill with paying customers?

HORNDAWG · 9 Aug 2018, 15:09 (Ref:3842549)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I agree that its silly. The DPI makes are pushing it to eliminate the nescience (threat) that the smaller operations like JDC and CORE are providing. Especially Cadillac and Acura. I guess its like the establishment media not liking alternative options such as Infowars. So they are trying to persuade big tech to hold the them down. Same concept. Substitute CNN/NBD for GM and Honda. JCD/CORE for Infowars. IMSA for Google/Facebook.

Yeah, Cadillac is keeping JDC from competing against them, by selling JDC 2 cars for '19. Hmmm...

L.P.

EffectiveSprinkles · 9 Aug 2018, 15:10 (Ref:3842551)

So that's 8 or 9 cars in DPi next year? Not too bad.

Akrapovic · 9 Aug 2018, 17:19 (Ref:3842573)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Yeah, Cadillac is keeping JDC from competing against them, by selling JDC 2 cars for '19. Hmmm...

L.P.

Kinda missing what he's saying. He's saying Cadillac don't want beaten by privateer teams. If JDC are a Cadillac team, they are no longer a privateer team, are they?

Anyway, now we have the DPi class, and the CORE Autosport Class. Sounds almost as fun as when Rebellion and ByKolles got to run around on there own behind the big guys and everyone absolutely loved it! Wait, I think I miss-remembered that last bit.

TF110 · 9 Aug 2018, 19:26 (Ref:3842608)

More of the C8R testing on jalopnik. I like the profile so far

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