SBR power for 888. (merged)

sukkondat · 21 Nov 2004, 00:39 (Ref:1159602)

Subject to TEGA approval, 888 will use SBR powerplants next year. Wont Craig be happy

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 00:39 (Ref:1159603)

The deal between T8 and SBR has been announced and just needs TEGA approval.

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 00:49 (Ref:1159606)

Um, so what does this mean for Larko's boys?

sukkondat · 21 Nov 2004, 00:52 (Ref:1159607)

Quote:

Originally posted by GTRMagic
Um, so what does this mean for Larko's boys?

I think they had a 3 year agreement for engines. Looks like SBR want to be the Ford equivalent of HM-but legally

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 00:54 (Ref:1159609)

But is it legal? Three teams is 6 cars... do they get grouped?

And it doesnt say much for Mr Little if he was to head the 888 engine program in 2005....

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 00:59 (Ref:1159611)

.........and will they get current spec engines ???

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 01:04 (Ref:1159614)

So why doesnt SBR just build engines for the whole Ford field... except WPS, who arent driving Fords...

sukkondat · 21 Nov 2004, 01:06 (Ref:1159615)

Quote:

Originally posted by GTRMagic
But is it legal? Three teams is 6 cars... do they get grouped?

And it doesnt say much for Mr Little if he was to head the 888 engine program in 2005....

It will be legal. They are 3 seperate teams working out of 3 seprate factories and employing their own staff-unlike HRT/KMR/PWR, whose majority of staff are employed by HM.

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 01:09 (Ref:1159616)

Quote from the Sunday Mail....

"We have been working with SBR and Ford for some time and I am glad we have come to, what I am sure will be a win win situation for everyoneone involved"

"This deal has come with the encouragement of Ford and will benfit Tripple Eight, SBR and Larkham Motorsport's Orrcon Racing"....

end quote

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 01:10 (Ref:1159617)

....and this is a 4 year deal.

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 01:15 (Ref:1159623)

Will Craig get the #1 car's Tassie engine?

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 01:16 (Ref:1159625)

THe first paragraph says it all.........

" Three-time series champion Graig Lowndes' gamble to join the Triple Eight Ford team next season is set to pay off after his new outfit signed an engine deal with the all-conquering Stone Brothers team this week"

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 01:24 (Ref:1159630)

The LMS deal involved a complicated swap that got Mr Winterbottom his gig at that team for 2004/2005

I wonder what happened to get this across the line....

Actually the more curious question is why is it that SBR are the only people that seem to be able to get the Ford engines to work properly, with loads of power, good engine mapping, and marque-leading reliability...

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 01:27 (Ref:1159631)

Can Lowndes/T8 wangle a deal for an SBR chassis for Mr Little to play with - now there's a thought?

edit - with a TEGA/Avesco board meeting this Wed/Thur will this engine deal get the nod then?

sukkondat · 21 Nov 2004, 01:32 (Ref:1159634)

Quote:

Originally posted by retro
THe first paragraph says it all.........

" Three-time series champion Graig Lowndes' gamble to join the Triple Eight Ford team next season is set to pay off after his new outfit signed an engine deal with the all-conquering Stone Brothers team this week"

One would think that this deal was on the cards prior to Craig signing with 888

Bruce Moxon · 21 Nov 2004, 02:08 (Ref:1159655)

Why should it need anyone's approval? All they are doing is buying a complete engine from a third-party supplier? All the teams buy gearboxes from Hollinger. All the teams use the same wheels. Lots of teams use Penske shock absorbers. Nobody had to approve that, did they?

Seems silly, is all. In NASCAR lots of Fords (about six or eight from memory) use Penske engines.

I think it makes sense, to a point.

Of course, cynical me says that there's nothing to stop SBR from selling 'customer spec' engines. I remember a Holden winning Bathurst when all the customer spec engines from the winning team failed. Allegedly.

Bruce Moxon

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 02:21 (Ref:1159660)

I would be interested in understanding what happened with Bargs' car in Tassie... it had a crook engine most of the weekend, and they took until after the warmup to replace it... is that a cost containment issue, or the supplier claiming nothing is wrong with the powerplant.

I presume also that SBR will now need a "trackside" service for their engines, like they do in Europe... with designated vegemites with their customer teams watching telemtry and data acquisition on their "babies"

The really cool part about this is that the engines supplied to all these teams will be the same model & spec, something you cant really say about the HMS supply chain.. or indeed Cousin Larry's mob...

Dutchy · 21 Nov 2004, 02:33 (Ref:1159669)

how many teams does HMS supply with engines
HRT
Kmart
PWR
Tasman?
HYL
so why should SBR need approval from Tega. Oh yes the rules could be diffirent for Ford. Again.

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 02:35 (Ref:1159670)

Quote:

Originally posted by GTRMagic
I would be interested in understanding what happened with Bargs' car in Tassie... it had a crook engine most of the weekend, and they took until after the warmup to replace it... is that a cost containment issue, or the supplier claiming nothing is wrong with the powerplant.

I presume also that SBR will now need a "trackside" service for their engines, like they do in Europe... with designated vegemites with their customer teams watching telemtry and data acquisition on their "babies"

The really cool part about this is that the engines supplied to all these teams will be the same model & spec, something you cant really say about the HMS supply chain.. or indeed Cousin Larry's mob...

I presume this is an engine only (NO DATA) deal.

...and at the Tassie round there seemed to be a lot of dud motors??

retro · 21 Nov 2004, 03:42 (Ref:1159686)

another quote from the article with an interesting highlight...

"The sport of V8 Supercar racing is not getting any cheaper and it makes no sense for teams to be dupilicating very expensive developement programs across a whole range areas"

....end quote

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 04:01 (Ref:1159688)

Quote:

Originally posted by Dutchy
how many teams does HMS supply with engines
HRT
Kmart
PWR
Tasman?
HYL
so why should SBR need approval from Tega. Oh yes the rules could be diffirent for Ford. Again.

HMS supplies in 2004:
- HRT (Aurora)
- Kmart (VX)
- PWR (VX)
- Tasman (VX)

As of 2005, Tasman drops the HMS supply roster, presumably as there wont be enough Auroras to go round.

HYL did not get an HMS-prepped VX engine, their supply coming from JSR as a customer deal...

Rowdy · 21 Nov 2004, 05:03 (Ref:1159700)

Quote:

Originally posted by GTRMagic
I would be interested in understanding what happened with Bargs' car in Tassie... it had a crook engine most of the weekend, and they took until after the warmup to replace it... is that a cost containment issue, or the supplier claiming nothing is wrong with the powerplant.

The really cool part about this is that the engines supplied to all these teams will be the same model & spec, something you cant really say about the HMS supply chain.. or indeed Cousin Larry's mob...

I think they originally thoght it was a throttle sensor problem but when that sisn't fix it for the warm up theay changed engines. Are you sure they will be the same spec? I believe (could be wrong) that the LMS engines this year are last years spec?

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 05:14 (Ref:1159706)

They are one specification in development behind SBR, with a number of specific updates during the season. That's not unusual... and they are still better and more reliable than most in the field

**GTRMagic** · 21 Nov 2004, 08:11 (Ref:1159752)

Pinched from RaceNews...

Stone Brothers Racing
Nov 21 2004
STONE BROTHERS RACING AND TRIPLE EIGHT SIGN ENGINE DEAL

V8 Supercar Champions Stone Brothers Racing is set to expand its engine supply business by establishing an alliance with the Brisbane-based Triple Eight Race Engineering operation for four years from 2005.

Earlier this year SBR signed a two-year deal to supply engines to Larkham Motor Sport and the result has seen LMS’s two-car Orrcon Racing team take the next leap in performance and results.

The new deal means that Craig Lowndes will make his debut in a Betta Electrical Falcon with SBR-supplied power plants in next year’s 13-round V8 Supercar Championship Series.

The program is designed to reduce the escalating expense of V8 Supercar racing caused through the seriously increasing costs associated with engine and car development, according to SBR co-owner, Ross Stone.

“A lot of thought has to be put into arrangements like this, but I think an expansion of our engine development business with Triple Eight makes sense,” said Stone.

“The sport is becoming more and more expensive and partnerships like this are going to be crucial to the future success of everyone involved.

“This deal has come with the encouragement of Ford and will benefit, Triple Eight, SBR and Larkham Motor Sport’s Orrcon Racing.”

Triple Eight Race Engineering’s Director/Manager, Roland Dane, believes the new arrangement will be a win-win for everyone involved.

“There is no doubt that SBR has been the benchmark in this series for the past couple of years and if we were ever going to come to an arrangement like this, then SBR were the obvious choice as partners,” said Dane.

“Like us, SBR is in the business of motor racing to win. Ross and Jimmy Stone have a tremendous reputation as fair and ethical competitors and that is also an obvious consideration when structuring such an arrangement.

“The sport of V8 Supercar racing is not getting any cheaper and it makes no sense for teams to be duplicating very expensive development programs across a whole range of areas.

“We have been working with SBR and Ford for sometime and I am glad we have come to, what I am sure will be win-win situation for everyone involved.”

The new arrangement is subject to approval by TEGA (TouringCar Entrants Group Australia) through the normal process.

Upon approval Team Betta Electrical will compete with SBR-prepared engines for the first time in the V8 Supercar support program at the Foster’s Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne on March 4-6, 2005.

Flameho · 21 Nov 2004, 08:44 (Ref:1159772)

GTR,
Per some of your points raised: Would you agree that SBR engines are so good since Ross and Jimmy have been building championship winning class engines for YEARS, can't beat experience eh?

And lets not even get started on the whole Holden powerplant and type argument again

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