First corner incident ?

Flossyhead baaa · 28 Sep 2003, 11:44 (Ref:732701)

With so much at stake this weekend , do you think someone with nothing to loose ( ie Panis ) could have a big stab up the inside at the first corner and cause havoc at turn 1 ?

The 3 main title contenders will surley not want to risk it all .

twig · 28 Sep 2003, 11:58 (Ref:732706)

I dont think that Panis is the sort to do that....although, it could be possible. I was thinking that RB could simply take out Kimi at the first corner, and doing so would make Michael's championship much easier with one less contender, Kimi would be practically out of the championship fight then, unless of course JPM or MS didnt finish.....................and how likely is that?

stubert · 28 Sep 2003, 12:02 (Ref:732707)

I don't think Panis will be a problem but Rubens might. He needs to lead the race so he can slow the pace in the infield. That might give MS a chance if he is running a heavy fuel load.

Redblurr · 28 Sep 2003, 12:08 (Ref:732712)

lets hope they all get through cleanly - that would be an anti- climax, huge pile-up in turn 1

Valve Bounce · 28 Sep 2003, 12:17 (Ref:732717)

How tight is turn 1? Has there been pile-ups there in any previous races?

stubert · 28 Sep 2003, 12:25 (Ref:732721)

I think they said turn one is less then 50 mph. I don't remember any big pile-ups but there is a good chance for one.

Damon · 28 Sep 2003, 12:27 (Ref:732724)

Everyone will be taking it easy. Who wants to be the guy that brings the Championship to a premature end?

Irv the Swerve · 28 Sep 2003, 13:12 (Ref:732749)

Turn 1 doesn't have a history of mass pile ups so to speak, but it is tight and Ralf and Monty managed to trip over themselves there last year. But the title was over last year - this year its a fight.

If Rubens does get to lead on lap one, then it would be relatively easy for him to hold up the race through the twisty midfield, thus benefitting Michael on the heavier fuel - if he is heavier, and especially if he is so much heavier that he requires one less stop - which seems unfeasibly heavy to me. Then the focus of Rubens lap is to get a good exit on to the banking so as to make it all the way down the wide straight back down to turn one and start the whole thing again. I can't see this happening. Williams are quicker in a straight line this weekend and that straight is too long to keep back a Mclaren that is in the draught, or a Williams that is anywhere near him.
So its difficult to see what Ferrari can pull of this weekend as regards teamwork. Also don't forget, Michael will have to deal with Alonso before he can even start to think about anyone else.

Suzy · 28 Sep 2003, 13:29 (Ref:732754)

I can't see Panis doing anything like that on purpose. He's got his own race to run, he's desperate for a good result and he knows better than to snarl up somebody else's race if a championship is at stake.

Toyota are in a close battle for a place in the championship, Toyota have a huge market in the USA which they want to utilise and it won't look good if a Toyota mucks it up.

Speed · 28 Sep 2003, 13:30 (Ref:732755)

Quote:

Originally posted by stubert
... but Rubens might. He needs to lead the race so he can slow the pace in the infield.

If he do that, Montoya will be leading after lap #5 !!!

He can´t block that Williams on last sector.

The Other Chris · 28 Sep 2003, 13:46 (Ref:732769)

rubens wont take the lead because ferrari's launch control(relative to mac williams and renault) is garbage. He'll probably even lose a spot then get hounded by monty.

Sato san · 28 Sep 2003, 13:56 (Ref:732778)

well , ive just seen a interview with Panis , and he said that he isnt concerned for the championship battle...he just wants to give Toyota their best ever finish .

Damon · 28 Sep 2003, 14:16 (Ref:732790)

That's worrying. JPM had a 17kph advantage over Panis in the speed trap, which means he's going to be right with him in t1.

pole2pole · 28 Sep 2003, 14:37 (Ref:732795)

I really hope there is not a pile up at the first corner and take out any of the main contenders, not only would it spoil the race but it would also spoil the championship and thats the last thing we want at this late stage. The interesting thing to watch out for will be if rubins can get in front of montoya to keep him at bay. This could be a big help to MS if he is carrying more fuel but would that come under to use of team orders?

Sodemo · 28 Sep 2003, 14:48 (Ref:732802)

GO GO GO MONTOYA!!!!!

ralf fan · 28 Sep 2003, 14:51 (Ref:732803)

Umm..... Rubens isn't the type to take someone out on purpose and even if he is Ferrari wont want another conspiracy so they'll tell him to play it clean

BootsOntheSide · 28 Sep 2003, 14:54 (Ref:732806)

I think the first lap should be clean towards the front. All the drivers who aren't in the title hunt will know how much of an embarassment it would be if they got involved, and with so many team-mates in there, controversy would be certain if, say, DC clashed with Michael.

Montoya moving up into second seems like a possibility, considering that Ferrari ahve a problem with launch control eprformance and Panis isn't used to being up the fornt. If that's the case, he might be able to harry Kimi, but most important thing for Montoya (and Michael) is to not let Kimi build up enough of a gap to be able to lead with an extra pitstop

ralf fan · 28 Sep 2003, 14:57 (Ref:732811)

Rubens being on a lighter load will probably be able to keep JPM behind.

Watch out for Fernando that guy could move to 3rd with that launch control

ralf fan · 28 Sep 2003, 14:58 (Ref:732812)

I think DC's lap shows that KIMI is running light, yeah OK... DC has had a miserable year but this weekend he looked strong

**Adam43** · 28 Sep 2003, 15:06 (Ref:732819)

Quote:

Originally posted by ralf fan
I think DC's lap shows that KIMI is running light, yeah OK... DC has had a miserable year but this weekend he looked strong

I think it is a bit of both. I don't think Kimi is running 0.6s slower than Kimi. I'd have thought McLaren would want him up there more.

I also don't think Rubens is running 0.4s lighter than Michael. However I do think he may be lighter, it sort of makes sense and Ferrai have tried it before.

Both are perhaps a combination of fuel and mess ups.

However this is all pure speculation on my part (, but apparently it is this sort of thing that makes F1 exciting).

ralf fan · 28 Sep 2003, 15:09 (Ref:732820)

Well thats the fun with the new rules, Williams boys could run the longest i think

pole2pole · 28 Sep 2003, 15:09 (Ref:732821)

Lets hope that frentzen remembers that he has got mirrors. Another performance like what we seen at monza could cost one of these guys the crown

**Adam43** · 28 Sep 2003, 15:12 (Ref:732823)

Fun?

I just want to see the racing! he he.

Back on topic and back to the fun: ralf fan I think you could be right about Williams. My guess is that they have purely thought of the race. Additionally I get the impression that Montoya sacrificed Q speed for race set-up (rear set-up to save tyres?).

Yunis · 28 Sep 2003, 16:04 (Ref:732877)

montoya was topping 350k's down the main straight...so he is 6mph up on ms, and as much as 12mpch on the bars/jags and 18mph on the minows and jordan!!

Knowlesy · 28 Sep 2003, 16:11 (Ref:732888)

I expect Ralf Schumacher to be a danger today, not just at the first corner.

I've just got this funny feeling about him........

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