BTCC BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 155

Pickles · 22 Feb 2020, 17:19 (Ref:3959249)

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Originally Posted by mj088

I was just going to say Hill's not being able to see out the 2018 season wasnt so much he couldnt meet the budget, more that he gave it to TG up front and Tony played hard ball about it when Jake was all but signed for AmD MG.
You can argue Tony being in the right or the wrong but the fact of the story is Jake didn't want to drive for the team or the car.

I guess you have to play hardball when a driver as talented as Jake wants to jump ship halfway through a season when he's under contract.

mj088 · 22 Feb 2020, 17:22 (Ref:3959251)

Oh yes, that's why I said you can argue right or wrong on Tony's part but if the driver doesn't want to drive the car, they don't want to drive the car. Nothing to do with budget

medius · 22 Feb 2020, 21:09 (Ref:3959265)

At least two HARD drivers were dumped by the management because someone with a larger chequebook came sniffing around for the ride. So budgetary issues in alternative way. In the Insignia days. One partway through the Dunlop Tyre test.

medius · 22 Feb 2020, 21:11 (Ref:3959266)

Double post.

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 08:08 (Ref:3959341)

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Originally Posted by mj088

It also explains why the rides are apparently so much cheaper, why the cars are regularly seen pitting on the way to the grid (dodgy unsafe parts being fitted by home mechanics paying TG to have a go?), and why Hard havent attracted any real established drivers since Tom Onslow Cole.

I hope they arent bodging the modifications Hamilton needs in his car!!

Its not just the BTCC they are running like this seemingly scrimping with poor quality or used parts, i noticed how Jade was suddenly a lot more on the pace last year when Hard were no longer preparing her Clio

A real-life example of Wormwood Motors by the sounds of it.

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 08:14 (Ref:3959345)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

Not really as that was 6 or 7 years ago. More recently the changes were due to drivers running out of budget halfway through the season.

Maybe numerous was the wrong choice of word on my part, they ran a few different drivers in 2018 after Hill and Caine left.

S griffin · 23 Feb 2020, 09:05 (Ref:3959348)

Yes HARD's merry go round of drivers in 2012, 2013 and 2018 hasn't exactly helped it's reputation. That said it was nice to see Goff give them their first win at Silverstone by picking the right tyre for the conditions before anyone else

Pickles · 23 Feb 2020, 09:58 (Ref:3959361)

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Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

Maybe numerous was the wrong choice of word on my part, they ran a few different drivers in 2018 after Hill and Caine left.

Yea, there was 2 driver swaps in each car which is the maximum number allowed. AmD had the same that year after Boardman left, not sure how they got around an extra driver change though.

mj088 · 23 Feb 2020, 10:41 (Ref:3959364)

I am going to make a prediction that Carl Boardley takes his BMW somewhere else before the season is out

JDMROB · 23 Feb 2020, 11:24 (Ref:3959369)

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Originally Posted by mj088

I am going to make a prediction that Carl Boardley takes his BMW somewhere else before the season is out

I really am suprised WSR let Boardley buy that knowing he was having Team HARD run it. I just hope they havent made any 'developments' with the car over the winter break. Wayne from BTEC Level 2 Mechanics class at Dartford College isnt going to know more than the WSR team I'm afraid.

billy bleach · 23 Feb 2020, 11:33 (Ref:3959370)

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Originally Posted by JDMROB

I really am suprised WSR let Boardley buy that knowing he was having Team HARD run it. I just hope they havent made any 'developments' with the car over the winter break. Wayne from BTEC Level 2 Mechanics class at Dartford College isnt going to know more than the WSR team I'm afraid.

Unless it was bought from Parker because they are upgrading to a 3 series?.....

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 11:40 (Ref:3959371)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

Yea, there was 2 driver swaps in each car which is the maximum number allowed. AmD had the same that year after Boardman left, not sure how they got around an extra driver change though.

AMD wouldn't have had that problem if HARD had let Hill go.

Pickles · 23 Feb 2020, 11:44 (Ref:3959372)

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Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

AMD wouldn't have had that problem if HARD had let Hill go.

That wouldn't have given them an extra driver change though... 😂

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 11:49 (Ref:3959373)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

That wouldn't have given them an extra driver change though... 😂

Didn't say it would.

mj088 · 23 Feb 2020, 12:36 (Ref:3959377)

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Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

AMD wouldn't have had that problem if HARD had let Hill go.

Actually AMD got rid of Boardman 04/07/18, Hill was announced as leaving Hard on 11/07/18
You could argue Hard wouldn't have had the problem if AMD didn't sack a driver and start flirting for Jake

But again, Jake didn't want to drive the car

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 12:52 (Ref:3959379)

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Originally Posted by mj088

Actually AMD got rid of Boardman 04/07/18, Hill was announced as leaving Hard on 11/07/18
You could argue Hard wouldn't have had the problem if AMD didn't sack a driver and start flirting for Jake

But again, Jake didn't want to drive the car

6 of 1, half a dozen of the other in a way, but who could blame Jake? It was either the CC or an ageing MG though in the latter, he could have achieved similar results to Butcher, just look what he achieved in the Audi S3 after all.

Alfisti · 23 Feb 2020, 13:26 (Ref:3959384)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

Unless it was bought from Parker because they are upgrading to a 3 series?.....

Carl bought his car from WSR.

I am expecting Monsieur Jelley to be running his tried and tested 1 Series.

To the poster who suggested Carl may take his car elsewhere before seasons end: it's Tonys TBL. Carls car. Carl doesn't have a TBL and therefore can't go elsewhere unless another car is retired. Tony on the other hand has four CCs, one per TBL. AFAIK Carl and Tony have a good relationship, so this is academic.

Pickles · 23 Feb 2020, 13:54 (Ref:3959388)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

To the poster who suggested Carl may take his car elsewhere before seasons end: it's Tonys TBL. Carls car. Carl doesn't have a TBL and therefore can't go elsewhere unless another car is retired. Tony on the other hand has four CCs, one per TBL. AFAIK Carl and Tony have a good relationship, so this is academic.

^^^ This. Carl knows the team, don't forget they ran him in Ginettas the year before. I'd say it was just the CCs he wasn't happy with, huge statement of intent for him to go and buy a 1 Series, personally I think we'll see a new side to him this year. Be interesting to see how he measures up to Jelley in the same car.

Pickles · 23 Feb 2020, 13:56 (Ref:3959389)

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Originally Posted by mj088

Actually AMD got rid of Boardman 04/07/18

Does anyone actually know what really went on there? Quite rare for a team to get rid of a driver unless it's down to budget.

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 14:12 (Ref:3959391)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

Does anyone actually know what really went on there? Quite rare for a team to get rid of a driver unless it's down to budget.

Performance or lack thereof? After all, ageing MG or not, he only scored 1 point aside from that fluke 4th in the wet at Brands while Butcher was a regular contender for points.

Either that or another instance former Super Touring and/or Super 2000 ace finding NGTC much tougher, after all, look what happened to James Nash that same year.

S griffin · 23 Feb 2020, 14:44 (Ref:3959396)

Not always though, remember how Huff was eventually on the pace in his one meeting at Silverstone in 2017.

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 14:49 (Ref:3959399)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Not always though, remember how Huff was eventually on the pace in his one meeting at Silverstone in 2017.

I know some drivers have been able to adapt to the differences between NGTC and Super Touring/Super 2000 better than others.

mj088 · 23 Feb 2020, 14:49 (Ref:3959400)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Carl bought his car from WSR.

I am expecting Monsieur Jelley to be running his tried and tested 1 Series.

To the poster who suggested Carl may take his car elsewhere before seasons end: it's Tonys TBL. Carls car. Carl doesn't have a TBL and therefore can't go elsewhere unless another car is retired. Tony on the other hand has four CCs, one per TBL. AFAIK Carl and Tony have a good relationship, so this is academic.

True, I didnt think of that, I just think as someone else said its strange WSR selling it knowing Hard were going to run it, if its going to be "developed" by a lad who can fit things from Halfords paying £100 as part of an experience day. guess its not their problem now, but it will be Carl's when its buggered beyond repair.

porsche962fan · 23 Feb 2020, 15:14 (Ref:3959402)

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Originally Posted by Nononsensecapeesh

Either that or another instance former Super Touring and/or Super 2000 ace finding NGTC much tougher, after all, look what happened to James Nash that same year.

and Menu and Giovanardi

Nononsensecapeesh · 23 Feb 2020, 15:17 (Ref:3959404)

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and Menu and Giovanardi

Exactly

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