Who is the Greatest F1 driver of all time?

[BTCC frog]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I don't understand the connection. De Cesaris's motorcycle accident was in October 2014 and Bianchi's accident was in July 2015.

Bianchi died in July 2015 after nine months in a coma but the actual accident happened the same week as De Cesaris' death.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Bianchi died in July 2015 after nine months in a coma but the actual accident happened the same week as De Cesaris' death.

Thanks for clarifying that.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Where were you that day, what were you doing?

I was at home checking for updates on Bianchi’s condition

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by BTCC frog

Bianchi died in July 2015 after nine months in a coma but the actual accident happened the same week as De Cesaris' death.

Not just the same week, but the same day.

[chunterer]

Sad as that connection is, neither driver could be relative to the title of this thread.

[Paradise City]

I'd say Fangio. If you include the feats achieved and the degree of danger he would've had to brave through to achieve those feats. He also had to win when he was older and in differing machinery. I put Clark next, then Senna.

[S griffin]

It says a lot about Fangio that Senna wanted to match, but not beat el Maestro’s records of titles. A legend forever

[chillibowl]

the Schumy doc drops on Netflix today (not sure if its for all regions or not though).

trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQs9ZtdZjY0

havent yet seen it but it struck me that these sorts of docs (like the acclaimed Senna doc) have the power to reintroduce a past individual to a new generation and ultimately respark the GOAT debate but can also shift how the conversation will play out as the story is re framed for both an old and new audience.

one thing i am looking forwards to is that more then the Senna doc , TGF's time in F1 crossed over into an age of internet communication and much higher production and resolution values. so ?i cant wait to see what they were able to pull from the F1 archive particularly if they will have any remastered footage and behind the scenes stuff!

while i hope its an honest retelling i also hoping to learn something new.

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

the Schumy doc drops on Netflix today (not sure if its for all regions or not though).

trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQs9ZtdZjY0

havent yet seen it but it struck me that these sorts of docs (like the acclaimed Senna doc) have the power to reintroduce a past individual to a new generation and ultimately respark the GOAT debate but can also shift how the conversation will play out as the story is re framed for both an old and new audience.

one thing i am looking forwards to is that more then the Senna doc , TGF's time in F1 crossed over into an age of internet communication and much higher production and resolution values. so ?i cant wait to see what they were able to pull from the F1 archive particularly if they will have any remastered footage and behind the scenes stuff!

while i hope its an honest retelling i also hoping to learn something new.

I watched it last night. Was very well done.
Without saying too much, the last 10mins will punch you in the face with emotions.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Skam85

I watched it last night. Was very well done.
Without saying too much, the last 10mins will punch you in the face with emotions.

In that case, on your recommendation, its a must watch for me.

[S griffin]

Autosport did a good view of it. Here's the link, but be warned it contains spoilers

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/re...1-ace/6667958/

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Skam85

I watched it last night. Was very well done.
Without saying too much, the last 10mins will punch you in the face with emotions.

i liked it as well! well done and very balanced between racing and his personal life. i want to say it was all very subdued but a better description would be that none of it was an attempt to sensational.

and yes lots of feels at the end there.

i feel like there was a choice made to soften his image a bit? more humanizing more working class hero type narrative?

[Oldtony]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

i feel like there was a choice made to soften his image a bit? more humanizing more working class hero type narrative?

Agreed. A very good insight into Schumi as a family man but very little coverage of some of the more outrageous incidents where the win at all costs attitude was on display.
The interviews recorded just after the death of Senna and how it affected him puts a side of him that was never made obvious at the time.

Well worth a watch and adds some fleshing to what we all remember.
Not as good, or as thorough as the Senna doco.

[S griffin]

I heard it's good at seeing the side of Schumi we hardly saw behind the public persona

[FAS33]

Daniel Ricciardo. No contest. End thread.

[Aysedasi]

Er, no.......

[S griffin]

He’s the greatest at the shoey….

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by S griffin

He’s the greatest at the shoey….

ahh but which shoey is greatest?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

He’s the greatest at the shoey….

He only follows in the (soggy) footsteps of David Reynolds, Jack Miller and Valentino Rossi........

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

He only follows in the (soggy) footsteps of David Reynolds, Jack Miller and Valentino Rossi........

Nothing original in this world - they only follow in the footsteps of Australian Rugby players, where it is quite a tradition - they in turn may even be following in someone else's footsteps.

[BTCC frog]

I have promised my hockey team to do a shoey next time we win a match in honour of Daniel Ricciardo, as unfortunately our last win was around the time of his last in Monaco (until Monza, of course)

[S griffin]

Billy Monger has pioneered the leggy though

[steve nielsen]

Wins an titles don't say everything about a driver in F1, because it all depends on beeing lucky enough to have the best car, Hamilton was lucky enough to get into the team that won most races since 2014, Schumacher would not have won as many titles without Brawn and Byrne.


You would never know who is best without having all drivers in the same cars.

But I personaly voted for Senna

[ascarracinguk]

Originally Posted by steve nielsen

Wins an titles don't say everything about a driver in F1, because it all depends on beeing lucky enough to have the best car, Hamilton was lucky enough to get into the team that won most races since 2014, Schumacher would not have won as many titles without Brawn and Byrne.


You would never know who is best without having all drivers in the same cars.

But I personaly voted for Senna

Luck or hard work and talent?

Its amazing how Lucky the best in the world are. Its also amazing how teams with the best car waste all that money on drivers if they can pay a pittance for someone like Mazespin to win the championship for them.

The best drivers, end up in the best teams, who employ the best engineers, mechanics and staff to build and run the best cars.

Its a team sport which relies on every component to work at its highest level.

People often use Tennis as an example of an individual sport, take Federer for instance. if it was so individual then why spend all that money hiring the best physios, trainers, managers, racket technicians etc... and on the flip side, how did he manage to work with those people in the first place? because of natural talent.

I suppose im trying to say that the greats always gravitate to great teams, engineers, cars...maintaining that like Schumacher, Hamilton have done is what truely sets them apart. (and yes Senna, who i suspect could have nicked a few more off Schumacher if it wasnt for his untimely passing).

Im not one that subscribes to a GOAT very often. ESPECIALLY in F1.

How can you compare Fangio to Lewis....i doubt even fangio could fit into a modern f1 car, let alone survive the g forces and heat of a race, cope with the engineering de briefs, have the mental agility to turn hundreds of dials or cope with the media frenzy of modern F1...

....likewise i doubt Lewis would survive long enough to get 5 championships in the 50s.

Different eras, different greats....Greatest of their generation is probably as close as we can get.

Fangio, Clark, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Hamilton.

[chillibowl]

Surely one needs a top level documentary running on one of the major streaming sites to be considered a GOAT.

Netflix now has a Schumi one and a Fangio one they put out last year i think. Amazon prime has the rights to Senna film now plus have a pretty fun Alonso series.

This is the future. Without a clear consensus number 1 answer, the drivers whose stories best fill the current medium of choice with content will be the future king.

Might seem like im joking but this is how history is manufactured.