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21 Dec 2005, 05:43 (Ref:1487810) | #51 | ||
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not Button. i don't have a problem with his affection towards button. I can see what's coming next "but taku is honda's idea" so that makes DR a what, mindless puppet who can't tell honda to bugger off due to the inferior racing abilities? edit: before i forget. JV did score more points than Taku during their respective stay at BAR IIRC. and I don't think you can disagree with the fact that JV had a car that was 10 times ****tier than Taku's car. |
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Personally I'd welcome a Prodrive team and DR back in the pit lane as The Monster said its only ever been a matter of time .... In fact I'd welcome any team, the more the merrier ...
However I must I don't necessarily agree with the comments he has made about drivers but then again I like the storm they stir up .... could DR be the new Stoddy ?? |
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DR is very adept at running a team, and him and JV aren't the best of friends...so what? If Prodrive start a team I imagine that Jv won't be on their wish list, but that doesn't mean they won't be a successful team...hard to stomach from your point of view I know. |
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Agreed Joe,
The posts on this thread should reflect Richard's undoubted management and commercial abilities which will obviously lend themselves to a (likely) successful F1 operation. Forget, BAR, JV and anything else that's happened so far, whar we know is he and his operation know how to promote, project manager and engineer quality bespoike motor sport projects. Prodrive may well be the most successful multi discipline operation of this type ever, including TWR, Alan Mann Racing, Oreca and many many more. What we should now be focusing on is the engine suppliers and possible backers.... |
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I'd love to see a brand from the VW Group in F1, preferably Seat.
Imagine Alonso winning the championship in a Repsol/Telefonica sponsored Seat. Spain would go nuts! |
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True Draven, but as long as it's nothing like that dreadful boxer engine they built for Coloni is 1989/90!!
DR could tap into any of his current or previous manufacturing partners, and crucially has the total ability and pedigree to entice a new firm into it (i'm deliberately discounting the obvious thought of a second string deal with a current F1 engine supplier in the interests of furthering a postitve open flow to the thread!!) |
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You are correct, I hate the guy and I don't want to see him back to f1 as he represents to me what I hate the most in f1: i.e. political games, back stabbing, achieving one's goal by ruining other's reputation, getting attention from the press by bull****ting others, etc. There is no doubts in my mind as to why some of you nevertheless still praise him despite what he did while he was in f1. I can't say it though as it is another taboo subject here. |
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There aren't any subjects that are taboo (as far as I am aware) but I'm interested in knowing your conspiracy theories...am I being paid by DR to "big up" his image? does he own ten tenths? what is it?? To insinuate that DR is the only machiavellian character in F1 is a bit short sighted, Every team boss has a history of "unpopular" decisions or they wouldn't last 5 minutes...EJ and Frentzen as an example. Once again you let your blind love for JV cloud your judgement of the subject at hand...whether DR is capable of running an F1 team successfully. Leaving Honda when he did has no reflection on the job he did in my view....was Damon useless when he left Williams (as world champion)? No, it was money and politics, not ability to do the job, and like it or not, politics is as much a part of F1 as racing. |
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The return of DR to F1 would be a great thing. I have always enjoyed outspoken individuals in the sport. I would rather have a manager that would ruffle a few feathers and be willing to express his opinion whether positive or critical, than the current corporate drivel that spews from the mouths of too many principals in F1.
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Insofar as concerns Damon, it was maybe not nice by Williams to dump him but I don't recall Sir Frank Williams having ever said bad things about DH to the press. They did not try to force him out before the end of his contract. They simply told him with several months notice that they would not renew his contract at the end of the season. DR waited until the very end of the season and was even publicly suggesting that there be some kind of shoot out at the end of the seasoin for the second seat (one more way to humiliate JV). |
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From a completely neutral point of view. This is what i have to say:
Both those guys have their fight and said their pieces. Both are in good positions to carry on their lives. So let's just get on with ours. DR right, JV wrong. Or JV right and DR wrong? It's a stupid debate. Both have made childish stunts to discredit each other. DR mocks JV's appointment at Sauber. But the same applies that JV laughs when DR step down from BAR. DR bashes JV in the media and gain attention. But similarly, JV isn't innocent either. Both parties have said equally nasty things against each other. Both parties could behave better. And both have acheived great things in motorsports. Lets just accept it that they will never be friends. To say JV is better or worse than DR isn't going to make them shake hands, or make any party come out a victim. |
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I disagree with you: JV has always hated politics and talking to the press. This thread is about DR's unsubstantiated declaration that he might be about to start a new team in f1 provided that... blah! blah! blah! Just to make sure that the message gets its way in the press, he added to it nasty comments about others (JV in particular). The strategy worked, he is now getting plenty of attention. For sure, negative declarations are more likely to back fire on him but the guy will never learn. Anyhow, that's the man that some of you here are looking forward to seeing back in f1. That's your right! Insofar as I am concern, I simply don't want to see that disgusting individual back in f1. |
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JV may not have been one for doing what he saw as inane sponsorship events, but he has always been very fair and proper about talking to the press. And I'd say he doesn't hate politics - he's one of the most political figures in F1. Ask Ricardo Zonta |
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Why do the JV fans have to turn every thread that has someone who they don't like or is a rival to JV into a JV thread? This isn't about you or JV, its about Prodrive and DR, regardless of his past.
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