Brabham BT35 - Page 6

Bryan Miller · 17 Nov 2005, 22:08 (Ref:1538815)

And another surfaces,

I have been contacted by Bob Slusher from Oregon in the U.S.A. who advises BT35-18 used by Scott Mackenzie in the Canadian Atlantic/Players series in 1974 and crashed at Edmonton June 1974 , thence used as a spares car for teams other BT35 , then dismantelled and stored untill sold to Doug DeFresne , Portland Oregon 1979 , thence purchased by Bob Slusher , Oregon Sept. 2005.

Bryan, Why do I like finding out about BT35s more than BT36s Miller.

Andrew Fellowes · 17 Nov 2005, 22:25 (Ref:1538816)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Bryan, Why do I like finding out about BT35s more than BT36s Miller.

Because some BT35’s are mechanically challenged?

Bryan Miller · 17 Nov 2005, 22:30 (Ref:1538817)

Mr. Fellowes ,

Consider yourself excommunicated.

Mr. Miller.

Andrew Fellowes · 17 Nov 2005, 22:42 (Ref:1538818)

Confined to cloisters do instead?

Bryan Miller · 7 Mar 2006, 22:00 (Ref:1541554)

And another one turns up , completely un molested , www.racecarsdirect.com has for sale BT35-46 , looks like it was put away in the 1970's and forgotten about.
The name on the advert is Claudio Stranges in Italy.
The car is in full F3 spec with airbox , MK 8/9 Hewland and 8''s and 10''s.

Bryan.

Dan Rear · 8 Mar 2006, 10:40 (Ref:1540185)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

And another one turns up , completely un molested , www.racecarsdirect.com has for sale BT35-46 , looks like it was put away in the 1970's and forgotten about.
The name on the advert is Claudio Stranges in Italy.
The car is in full F3 spec with airbox , MK 8/9 Hewland and 8''s and 10''s.

Bryan.

I wonder if thats a misprint for Claudio Langes ??

Bryan Miller · 8 Mar 2006, 22:27 (Ref:1540781)

Dan,

No , no misprint that is the name on the email contact.
Bryan.

allenbrown · 10 Mar 2006, 12:29 (Ref:1542272)

This post is to mark the point at which this BT35 thread was split out from the giant Brabham BT28-BT29-BT30-BT35-BT36 thread. Much gratitude again to John Turner.

Allen

Bob Slusher · 15 Mar 2006, 17:01 (Ref:1549631)

More research has turned that BT35-18 was original to Bill Eagles of Dominion Textiles and campaigned in `72 in F2 then sold to Scott Mackenzie when Bill ordered a new BT40. I believe I have located Mr. Eagles in Alberta and will chat him up soon.

Bob Slusher
Oregon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

And another surfaces,

I have been contacted by Bob Slusher from Oregon in the U.S.A. who advises BT35-18 used by Scott Mackenzie in the Canadian Atlantic/Players series in 1974 and crashed at Edmonton June 1974 , thence used as a spares car for teams other BT35 , then dismantelled and stored untill sold to Doug DeFresne , Portland Oregon 1979 , thence purchased by Bob Slusher , Oregon Sept. 2005.

Bryan, Why do I like finding out about BT35s more than BT36s Miller.

Bryan Miller · 15 Mar 2006, 22:20 (Ref:1549872)

Bob,
In your email to me a while ago you advised BT35-18 badly crashed 1974 and used as spares donor for their OTHER BT35 , can you find out anything at all about that one as well please , where did it come from , where did it go , ch # etc.
Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 16 Mar 2006, 10:08 (Ref:1550140)

BT35-18 not, I think, new to Eagles
Throughout 1971 he races a Chevron B9/15 - and if he'd got a new BT35 you'd think he'd race it. Then appears at Sanair 28.5.72 in a BT35 that Canadian Motorsport Bulletin for July 72 describes as 'ex Robertson' - so I think we've found Brian Robertson's 1971 car.
The Scott MacKenzie cars were owned by Tom Moore of AstroSports. After McKenzie's accident in 73 Ric Forest ran very well in them/it.

Bob - If you do trace Bill Eagles please can you ask about the Chevron and the BT40?

Chris

Steve Wilkinson · 17 Mar 2006, 16:26 (Ref:1551225)

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Jackson

Andrew,

As I mentioned above, Marsland's quoted in a BT35 at Nivelles, this may be more likley as I think he drove a BT35 in the 1972 Phoenix Park race, but I haven't got a report to hand to comfirm..

Any leads as to the chassis number of this car. Marsland drove a BT35 in the British Sprint Championship in 1973 so it has to be the same chassis!

Chris Townsend · 19 Mar 2006, 11:05 (Ref:1552625)

Steve

Marsland also appears in occasional Atlantic races with this in late 71 and I think
it is a late season build, but have no idea about the number beyond that.
If we could get some more chassis numbers for F3 BT35s that might close some
gaps.

Chris

Bob Slusher · 22 Mar 2006, 17:19 (Ref:1557591)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

Bob,
In your email to me a while ago you advised BT35-18 badly crashed 1974 and used as spares donor for their OTHER BT35 , can you find out anything at all about that one as well please , where did it come from , where did it go , ch # etc.
Bryan.

Brian:

Email bits from Scott Mackenzie indicate that he sold the "other" car to Mathews. That would make it either #19 (doubtful) or #33. He said "the second car was red had been run by Motul - I bought from Fred Opert". Without the logbook for #18 I am at the mercy of the memory of others and I do so appreciate those memories. Hope this helps.

Bob Slusher
Oregon

Bob Slusher · 22 Mar 2006, 17:40 (Ref:1557606)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

BT35-18 not, I think, new to Eagles
Throughout 1971 he races a Chevron B9/15 - and if he'd got a new BT35 you'd think he'd race it. Then appears at Sanair 28.5.72 in a BT35 that Canadian Motorsport Bulletin for July 72 describes as 'ex Robertson' - so I think we've found Brian Robertson's 1971 car.
The Scott MacKenzie cars were owned by Tom Moore of AstroSports. After McKenzie's accident in 73 Ric Forest ran very well in them/it.

Bob - If you do trace Bill Eagles please can you ask about the Chevron and the BT40?

Chris

Thanks Chris!

And the quest for the history of #18 takes yet another turn. Several points here in no particular order:

Who was Brian Robertson and is he still with us? I would like to contact him for more history.

Mr. Mackenzie also indicated that Rick Forest ran one of the team's cars following the shunt of #18 at Edmonton. Judging by the damage to #18 Rick most certainly did not run this car. More likely the other team car.

The names Tom Moore and Autosports did not come up in my contacts with Mr. Mackenzie. Can you shed some light upon these. This research for correct history of #18 has taken on the importance of the quest for the holy grail.

Logbook - logbook. Who has the logbook?

I am grateful for your time and interest.

BTW, I believe Mr. Eagles contact informaton will be.
Bill Eagles
119 Midvalley Dr Se
Calgary, AB
(403) 201-3195

If you have the chance to chat him up, John Hafkenschiel (Brabham Register) asks if he still has the nose of his BT40 hanging over his desk? John knows someone who needs that nose for a restoration.

Peace,

Bob Slusher
Oregon

David McKinney · 22 Mar 2006, 19:20 (Ref:1557681)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Slusher

Who was Brian Robertson and is he still with us? I would like to contact him for more history.

Brian Robertson was a (the?) North American Brabham - and later Ralt - importer
To be quite honest, I don't think I ever knew if he was Canadian or from the US - certainly around 1980 he was based in the Greater LA area, but that wouldn't stop him being Canadian

Bryan Miller · 22 Mar 2006, 21:58 (Ref:1557796)

I am very slowly putting all the information together for the BT35's and will list as , where we are now a.s.a.p.
Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 23 Mar 2006, 10:50 (Ref:1558279)

When Robertson drove the car it was entered by, and I guess belonged to, Fred Opert.
Tom Moore's Astrosports outfit sponsored Forest in the BT35, and I got the impression both from Forest and reading Canadian magazines, that he owned
the car. Forest already had a stake in a March 722 with Al Lader, that he couldn't
afford to run, and I'd be surprised if he could have afforded to buy another [older] car rather than use the cash to run a competitive 722. I've got to go back to Ric
with queries on the 722 so will confirm.
Robertson was definitely Canadian as he scored points in the Canadian championship whereas NW USA drivers like Lader could run, win money, but not get points.

Bob: Many thanks for Bill Eagles's address, will contact him!

Chris

Bob Slusher · 23 Mar 2006, 15:57 (Ref:1558649)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

When Robertson drove the car it was entered by, and I guess belonged to, Fred Opert.
Tom Moore's Astrosports outfit sponsored Forest in the BT35, and I got the impression both from Forest and reading Canadian magazines, that he owned
the car. Forest already had a stake in a March 722 with Al Lader, that he couldn't
afford to run, and I'd be surprised if he could have afforded to buy another [older] car rather than use the cash to run a competitive 722. I've got to go back to Ric
with queries on the 722 so will confirm.
Robertson was definitely Canadian as he scored points in the Canadian championship whereas NW USA drivers like Lader could run, win money, but not get points.

Bob: Many thanks for Bill Eagles's address, will contact him!

Chris

Chris, Bryan and others. My thanks go to you as you direct the research history of this car. I do appreciate your enthusiasm and your time. My thanks.

Research show only about 30 Brian Robertson's in the LA area. Can we narrow this down a bit somehow? A contact friend perhaps or a middle name?

Early in my research I received direction that both Rick Forest and Bertil Roos took over driving of the Mackenzie team's "other" car on a contract basis and then just until the end of the season. A Canajun friend contacted Bertil and spoke with his housekeeper (?) and reported back that Bertil did not recall the name Scott Mackenzie, so that may provide some leading in the matter. Clearnes in the matter of car/team ownership during this time is clouded at best.

Oh for a simple logbook to surface in the back drawer of someone involved with this car. Naw, too easy!

Peace,

Bob Slusher
Oregon

Simon Hadfield · 23 Mar 2006, 16:52 (Ref:1558688)

Upstairs in the store is an F3 BT35 no chassis plate but has Sandro Cinotto's name on the cockpit. It belongs to an Italian customer and has the original gearbox but a later 2 litre F3 twincam

Chris Townsend · 23 Mar 2006, 17:34 (Ref:1558709)

Bob

There are people with Ralt RT4s around on this forum who have been in contact with Brian Robertson. They may be able to give you an address. He's not too helpful on the Ralt front - which is a bit of a p****r as he was only the North American distributor for a decade and a half.

I've got almost all the Canadian results for the two "McKenzie" cars.

Chassis 18. 1973: 3 June: Edmonton, Scott McKenzie terminates car; 27 May Westwood, McKenzie 11th; 1972: 15 Oct, Mosport, Bill Eagles appears, probably retired; 1 Oct: Sanair, Eagles 8th; 10 Sept: Debert, Eagles 10th; Trois Rivieres, probably ran, don't know result; 6 August Gimli, Eagles 12th; 23 July Mt Tremblant: Eagles 7th; 9 July Westwood, Eagles 9th; 25 June Edmonton, Eagles 14th; may have run non champ race at Sanair 4 June; 28 May Sanair, Eagles DNS; 1971: 3 Oct Westwood, Robertson DNS conditions too bad; 19 Sept Mosport Robertson 6th; Trois Rivieres 29 Aug [Molson Ch race], Robertson 3rd; 28 Aug [Players Ch race] Robertson 2nd; 15 Aug Mt Tremblant, 3rd; 1 Aug Mt Tremblant Robertson 1st; 11 July Mt Tremblant Robertson 2nd; 4 July Robertson 1st; 20 June Edmonton Robertson retired; 30 May Robertson 2nd. Bear in mind that Opert had more than one BT35 so Robertson may have used other chassis that no.18 in the season [esp as Opert team rotated plates...] However, we do know that Eagles car had been used by Robertson fairly regularly in the 1971 Canadian season

"The other car"
1973: 6 Oct: Watkins Glen, Dave McMillan [0 laps, engine]; perhaps ran Elkhart Lake; 20 Aug: Mosport, Ric Forest 2nd; 5 Aug Gimli, Forest, 1st; probably ran Debert 16 July; 2 July Mosport, Forest 6th

A log book won't give you these races as they weren't SCCA organised

Chris

Bob Slusher · 23 Mar 2006, 19:57 (Ref:1558935)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Chassis 18. 1973: 3 June: Edmonton, Scott McKenzie terminates car; 27 May Westwood, McKenzie 11th; 1972: 15 Oct, Mosport, Bill Eagles appears, probably retired; 1 Oct: Sanair, Eagles 8th; 10 Sept: Debert, Eagles 10th; Trois Rivieres, probably ran, don't know result; 6 August Gimli, Eagles 12th; 23 July Mt Tremblant: Eagles 7th; 9 July Westwood, Eagles 9th; 25 June Edmonton, Eagles 14th; may have run non champ race at Sanair 4 June; 28 May Sanair, Eagles DNS; 1971: 3 Oct Westwood, Robertson DNS conditions too bad; 19 Sept Mosport Robertson 6th; Trois Rivieres 29 Aug [Molson Ch race], Robertson 3rd; 28 Aug [Players Ch race] Robertson 2nd; 15 Aug Mt Tremblant, 3rd; 1 Aug Mt Tremblant Robertson 1st; 11 July Mt Tremblant Robertson 2nd; 4 July Robertson 1st; 20 June Edmonton Robertson retired; 30 May Robertson 2nd. Bear in mind that Opert had more than one BT35 so Robertson may have used other chassis that no.18 in the season [esp as Opert team rotated plates...] However, we do know that Eagles car had been used by Robertson fairly regularly in the 1971 Canadian season

Chris:

You are truly amazing! Take a cool pint out of petty-cash for your work on this one.

My sincere gratitude to you for compiling all of this data for me. You get one "Done Good" and two "Ata Boys" for this. Is there something I can do for you in return?

Peace,

Bob Slusher
Oregon

Bryan Miller · 23 Mar 2006, 21:36 (Ref:1559010)

Simon,
AM number by any chance ?
Bryan.

Steve Wilkinson · 24 Mar 2006, 16:07 (Ref:1559704)

Rob Turnbull in his BT35 at Prescott in 1976

Simon Hadfield · 24 Mar 2006, 16:08 (Ref:1559706)

AM 71-39 (could be 89 -even at a push 69!) It has been there a long time. Cockpit is original polished gel-coat red and drivers name is Cinotti.

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