Brabham BT35 - Page 7

Steve Wilkinson · 24 Mar 2006, 16:53 (Ref:1559745)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield

AM 71-39 (could be 89 -even at a push 69!) It has been there a long time. Cockpit is original polished gel-coat red and drivers name is Cinotti.

In 1971 at the British GP meeting at Silverstone Sandro Cinotti was entered in a Brabham-Alfa Romeo by the Jolly Club. He was a none starter or qualifier. No mention of the model of car in the programme.

In 1972 at the Monaco GP Cinotti was again entered by the Jolly Club. The chassis was still a Brabham but there was no chassis type or engine listed. He was again a none starter or qualifier.

No further sightings!

Chris Townsend · 25 Mar 2006, 09:50 (Ref:1560192)

Bob mentions that the "other" McKenzie BT35 [the one that survived] had
been run in Motul colours and was bought via Fred Opert.
Motul didn't sponsor anyone in FB in 1971/72 as far as I know, but they did
sponsor people in European F3 didn't they? Wasn't Lafosse or Lagier backed
by Motul in 1971?

Chris

Bob Slusher · 25 Mar 2006, 14:44 (Ref:1560374)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Bob mentions that the "other" McKenzie BT35 [the one that survived] had
been run in Motul colours and was bought via Fred Opert.
Motul didn't sponsor anyone in FB in 1971/72 as far as I know, but they did
sponsor people in European F3 didn't they? Wasn't Lafosse or Lagier backed
by Motul in 1971?

Chris

Chris:

In close review of my notes from Mr. Mackenzie he mentions that the "other" car did not have the pull out of the corners like the BDA in #18. The "other" car had fuel injection. Am I wrong that fuel injection was not allowed in the UK FA cars but was allowed here in the states with SCCA? Mr. Mackenzie does not recall any of the chassis numbers for either car but did offer that the roll stiffness of the bars were a problem and that beefyer bars were certainly in order to be competative with March cars of the era.

Peace,

Bob

Bob Slusher · 25 Mar 2006, 15:14 (Ref:1560384)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Bob mentions that the "other" McKenzie BT35 [the one that survived] had
been run in Motul colours and was bought via Fred Opert.
Motul didn't sponsor anyone in FB in 1971/72 as far as I know, but they did
sponsor people in European F3 didn't they? Wasn't Lafosse or Lagier backed
by Motul in 1971?

Chris

Chris:

Tid-bits about the "other" car. The race number (still on my fuel tanks) was #94 while the number on the "other" car was #96 as shown on the photo's from the Mathews collection. Greg Mathews notes "the car was sold last year to ex-professional racer Bobby Brown who is currently campaigning the car and in many cases is beating up on competitors that are running 4-valve engines." I imagine Mr. Brown (?) would have the necessary documents and plate for this car. Is there a way to track him down? Anyone know of him?

Peace,

Bob

allenbrown · 25 Mar 2006, 17:52 (Ref:1560432)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Slusher

... the car was sold last year to ex-professional racer Bobby Brown ... Is there a way to track him down?

I can't give out his email address but I'll be happy to forward an email to him.

Email me at allen@oldracingcars.com

Allen

Bob Slusher · 26 Mar 2006, 15:54 (Ref:1561395)

Thank you. That effort would fill the void of informaiton on this "other Mackenzie car" ; likely to be either chassis BT 35/ #19 or #33. Any additional historical information form Mr. Brown would be appreciated.

Peace,
Bob Slusher

Bob Slusher · 27 Mar 2006, 14:33 (Ref:1562372)

I received a nice reply from Bobby Brown. He is on holiday for the next few weeks but on return will have a look at both BT 35's (he has two?) and forward the numbers to us. He does not believe the red car (acquired from the Harry Mathews collection) has a number plate but the other car might be chassis #10. More in a few weeks.

Bob Slusher

Chris Townsend · 27 Mar 2006, 18:15 (Ref:1562547)

I always thought that chassis 33 was the BT35 in the Matthews Collection
It was the number given on the website. Was there another?

Would like to learn more about Mr Brown's chassis 10. At a guess another ex Opert
team car...

Sadly, we can't attribute all the 1971 results that I gave for Brian Robertson in 1971 to a single car. Apparently Al Justasson had another ex Robertson BT35 in the 1972 Canadian series, so some of them were perhaps achieved in this car, about which we know nothing else.

Interestingly, 94 was the number carried by Dave McMillan's BT35 at Watkins Glen in Oct 1973, by Forest's BT35 at Gimli in August 73, and by McKenzie when he went agricultural at Edmonton, which suggests chassis 18 had been perhaps been rebuilt.
[These numbers are taken from entry lists and official results [in the case of Watkins Glen], rather than race photos, so might have been changed at Gimli or Edmonton] Race no 96 in the Edmonton list is taken by Bob Newton's March 71BM; no 96 in the other two.

Chris

Bob Slusher · 27 Mar 2006, 21:15 (Ref:1562720)

[QUOTE=Chris Townsend]I always thought that chassis 33 was the BT35 in the Matthews Collection
It was the number given on the website. Was there another?

Another of the several Mathews web pages shows chassis #19 (red w/ gold) in their stable during the restoration of chassis #33.

http://www.mathewscollection.com/bra...abham_BT35.htm

Peace,

Bob Slusher

Andrew Fellowes · 27 Mar 2006, 21:44 (Ref:1562743)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

I always thought that chassis 33 was the BT35 in the Matthews Collection
It was the number given on the website. Was there another?
Chris

So did I 'till I went back and had another look, and it looks like an AM number, 71-33, not a chassis number.
Would you agree?
http://www.mathewscollection.com/sal..._race_BT35.htm

Bob Slusher · 27 Mar 2006, 22:33 (Ref:1562785)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Fellowes

So did I 'till I went back and had another look, and it looks like an AM number, 71-33, not a chassis number.
Would you agree?
http://www.mathewscollection.com/sal..._race_BT35.htm

Hmmm. An interesting point well taken. Very likely an AM number. Am I correct that there is no factory cross reference listing AM to chassis numbers? Perhaps a call to Greg Mathews would make it clear what the chassis number may be.

On another subject: Your adivce would be appreciated here.

I suppose most of us would love to have a vintage photo of our car at speed or in the pits and I am no exception (full drool mode). How does one go about finding the stray snap or magazine file photo or ?. I am at a complete loss as to how to go about it.

Andrew Fellowes · 27 Mar 2006, 23:16 (Ref:1562822)

Little or no correlation between chassis & AM numbers, I guess this would put it as an earlier chassis, low teens perhaps?

Well for photo’s you could start with Ted, they tell me he has a couple, next how about the Klemantaski Collection, http://www.klemcoll.com/

Ted Walker · 28 Mar 2006, 07:48 (Ref:1563081)

Was 71-33 owned at one stage by a Mrs Downer in California ????.As for photos I have very little USA Material apart from can-am (whatever that is)

Bryan Miller · 28 Mar 2006, 08:02 (Ref:1563091)

I think we need to put that one to bed as AM71-33. Chassis no. unknown at this point.

Ted Walker · 28 Mar 2006, 14:26 (Ref:1563340)

Bryan I do have a chassis No against this thats why I asked the question above.

Bob Slusher · 28 Mar 2006, 14:31 (Ref:1563344)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Walker

(snip) As for photos I have very little USA Material apart from can-am (whatever that is)

Ted:

The photos I seek would be from largely Canadian F2/FA event between May, 71 and June `73. Thanks to Chris Townsend we have a complete listing of events and dates from which photos would be sought. Can you assist us?

Peace,

Bob

Chris Townsend · 28 Mar 2006, 15:11 (Ref:1563363)

Bob

I'll PM you Chris Waddell's email address. Chris documented a lot of these races for
Canadian and American magazines. I don't know if he goes back to 1971/2

Chris

Ted Walker · 28 Mar 2006, 15:41 (Ref:1563401)

Bob. Sorry no Canadian material either(apart from a couple of Can -ams)

allenbrown · 28 Mar 2006, 16:19 (Ref:1563458)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Slusher

I suppose most of us would love to have a vintage photo of our car at speed or in the pits and I am no exception (full drool mode). How does one go about finding the stray snap or magazine file photo or ?. I am at a complete loss as to how to go about it.

Bob

I'd recommend Tom Schultz for US photos. He only covered Road America in the early 1970s but there were big FB events there in 1971 and 1972.

I don't think he'll mind me publicising his email: t-jschultz at msn dot com. Tell him I sent you.

Allen

Bob Slusher · 29 Mar 2006, 16:40 (Ref:1564299)

Thank you all for suggestions to pursue photo's.

A friend has a set of wheels available for purchase. Can someone indicate the proper backset I should be looking for in the BT 35?

Many thanks,

Bob Slusher

Ted Walker · 30 Mar 2006, 07:50 (Ref:1564918)

They should be the 4 spoke pattern with the spokes sloping outwards as opposed to fronts that are flat.

Chris Townsend · 30 Mar 2006, 13:07 (Ref:1565177)

Bob

What colour scheme was on your number 94 fuel tanks.
The last colour given for this car is purple and gold [with that number] at
Watkins Glen in 1973

Chris

Bob Slusher · 30 Mar 2006, 15:45 (Ref:1565264)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted Walker

They should be the 4 spoke pattern with the spokes sloping outwards as opposed to fronts that are flat.

Thank you Ted. Very helpful. These wheels I believe have the flat fronts which the seller says are correct for Chevron. Thank you for the confirmation. Too bad for me.

BTW, I found the measure backset for the Brabham wheel at 3.875" to be the correct backset.

Bob

Bob Slusher · 30 Mar 2006, 15:59 (Ref:1565273)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Bob

What colour scheme was on your number 94 fuel tanks.
The last colour given for this car is purple and gold [with that number] at
Watkins Glen in 1973

Chris

Hi Chris:

Both fuel tanks with #18 are black with stylized white numbers. Judging by the body filler they had been through a bump or two prior to painting. My rear wing is gold. No other body panels came with the boxed car. Mr. Mackenzie recalls this car was originally dark green and gold. He also recalls selling Mathews the body panels for #18 just before the sale of the rest of the car. Are the used purple body panel shown on the Mathews site correct for #18 but with the number 96? It does leave one to guess what was up during those times with numbers.

Peace,

Bob

Bob Slusher · 13 Apr 2006, 14:01 (Ref:1580413)

Thanks again to Allen Brown for putting me in touch with Bobby Brown owner of two BT-35 cars. He acquired BT-35/10 from Frank Costey of Westminis, Colorado; green and yellow, photos are available on web search under images BT35. His other car is the Mathews restoration shown on Harry Mathews well documented site and is confirmed as AM 71-33 as no chassis plate was fitted when purchased.

This week Bobby contacted Fred Opert (New Jersey) to ask for records of who he sold cars to. Fred reply'd he does not recall and advises that contact be made with Brian Robertson the Brabham agent for Fred in Canada in those days.

Who here has a good working relationship with Mr. Robertson and could follow-on with this thread? Bobby Brown would also like to confirm the correct chassis number for his AM 71-33 and perhaps the history for the car which he races regularly on the right coast.

Cheers,

Bob

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