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Old 2 Jun 2017, 09:18 (Ref:3738093)   #76
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Is it "original"? Chris Lambden claims so, but how is anybody to know what was going on in secret before Chris went public? Nobody is to know.



Supercars didn't release it. Their logo is, but this seems to be from PAYCE/Wilson, and it isn't even on Supercars website.



All the above aside, this makes sense from a pragmatic point of view.

Especially if I was an engine builder locally I'd want it to grow legs over people running Coyotes.
This project is run and funded by Payce
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 09:32 (Ref:3738095)   #77
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Car looks fabulous, a shame about it's origins

FT5000 and Super5000 have no hope of getting up in any fashion unless there is a merger or Lambden gives in.

FT5000 or Super5000 would only help F4, not hinder it. Infact i think F4 only remains viable in the long-term if there is a proper open-wheel series above it.
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 09:58 (Ref:3738100)   #78
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So the engine will cost half that of the total car? Interesting. Will need dedicated engine technicians to run those donks at each round as well. Interesting decision to run those instead of what is readily available and able to achieve the same power for less than half the cost and no need for dedicated track support.
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 10:01 (Ref:3738101)   #79
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Literally the only similarities between both the F5000 remakes and Formula 4 is that they are open wheel cars with wings and slicks and that they might both end up on the Supercars support bill.

Other then that, there is a considerable difference in power and speed, they will serve completely different purposes in the Australian motorsport scene and will be aimed at a different group of drivers.

Formula 3 on the other hand is in a lot more trouble if this gets off the ground, since CAMS has got no reason to keep it running and it has struggled to get remotely good grids for years now.
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 10:02 (Ref:3738102)   #80
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So the engine will cost half that of the total car? Interesting. Will need dedicated engine technicians to run those donks at each round as well. Interesting decision to run those instead of what is readily available and able to achieve the same power for less than half the cost and no need for dedicated track support.
It doesn't really stack up for people to build brand new engines, surely the point of this is for people to buy ex-VASC engines like DVS teams to, surely they are not paying $150k for engines.

But I guess if someone wants to buy one of these, NOW then there's a number.
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 10:09 (Ref:3738103)   #81
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It doesn't really stack up for people to build brand new engines, surely the point of this is for people to buy ex-VASC engines like DVS teams to, surely they are not paying $150k for engines.

But I guess if someone wants to buy one of these, NOW then there's a number.
2nd hand which is sold rebuilt is still over 100. The coyote in the ft5000 for example will be approx 35k complete, 45 maximum to achieve the same power as the supercar engine and won't require track support and rebuilds will be half as often.

On top of that, sourcing the parts to maintain a supercar engine is significantly more than the road donk, and easy enough to do self maintenance with the road engines.
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 10:43 (Ref:3738106)   #82
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Also I put money on it costing closer to 400k in reality. Carbon tub, drive train capable of handling supercar torque, full motec electronics and the supercars engine cannot be done for 300k.

Remember how cheap the cotf was said to be when announced?

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Old 2 Jun 2017, 12:34 (Ref:3738117)   #83
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V8 Supercars cant be going too badly if they are now owners of Superutes, Supercars, Super2, and now Super5000. They just have to be careful now it doesn't lead to problems and get ahead of themselves, if they were struggling though like some say they wouldn't be running utes and 5000
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if they were struggling though like some say they wouldn't be running utes and 5000
They are hardly running either of them at the moment are they, where are the Utes?

Payce are funding the 5000 so far anyway aren't they?
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 13:31 (Ref:3738129)   #85
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Yes, Payce are funding it and Supercars just owns the IP and the management rights.
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*looks at Super5000 car*

.............Seriously?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A

If I want to see old-school looking cars, there's the historic racing. I'd rather see the FT5000 car than this - preferably with an airbox designed for efficiency instead of one designed solely to be a throwback.

I want to see a MODERN incarnation of Formula 5000, not a throwback. So while I'd still like to see them both work(hey, I may not prefer it but any new form of racing is ultimately fine by me if they can make it work), if I had to make a chose, I'd support FT5000.

And don't give me the "low drag/downforce" excuse for the Super5000 car; Modern aero can do that just as well, probably better.

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I have a feeling that both series will now fail.
Unless they want the series to be Australia's equivalent to IndyCar, which I'm not sure anyone can make happen, I think any modern F5000 series needs to run a stock block engine to be viable.
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Car looks fabulous, a shame about it's origins

FT5000 and Super5000 have no hope of getting up in any fashion unless there is a merger or Lambden gives in.

FT5000 or Super5000 would only help F4, not hinder it. Infact i think F4 only remains viable in the long-term if there is a proper open-wheel series above it.
Agree with you on all that, maybe some kind of merger might work but it would depend on how similar the performance is I guess - there were different manufacturers back in the day with F5000 of course so it might work.

This car for example is very heavy for an open wheeler at 850kg as quoted in the article but maybe that's fully fuelled and with a driver? The FT5000 was quoted as 670kg or thereabouts I think, which is kinda where you'd expect a stock block 5.0 litre open wheeler to be weight wise.

According to the Fox sports article, the Super5000 project dates back to 2015 so maybe it was a case of different people having a similar idea at a similar time but the way it has all unfolded has been a great shame but I guess not the first and probably not the last time that similar ideas have been mooted at the same time in motorsport.

For sure, this car looks far more retro than the other car. Whether either series can get off the ground remains to be seen.
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Old 2 Jun 2017, 22:52 (Ref:3738243)   #88
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I really hope this doesn't devolve into a CART v Indycar like war that'll destroy both categories
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Old 3 Jun 2017, 00:40 (Ref:3738248)   #89
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Designing an open wheeler around parts from the Supercars is surely practical/modular/etc. but it seems they have really hamstrung the car itself and what it could have been
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According to the Fox sports article, the Super5000 project dates back to 2015 so maybe it was a case of different people having a similar idea at a similar time but the way it has all unfolded has been a great shame but I guess not the first and probably not the last time that similar ideas have been mooted at the same time in motorsport.
The Fox sports article was written by James Phelps - the same guy who prints V8SC press releases on a weekly basis. Not sure how much weight you are going to put in Mr Phelps timeline there.

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Supercars didn't release it. Their logo is, but this seems to be from PAYCE/Wilson, and it isn't even on Supercars website.
On the V8 website, their socials, their journalist writing puff pieces and their logo's all over it. Are you still denying their drive behind this Mixer?

Another example of v8sc trying to prevent Australian motorsport from developing and progressing
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