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Old 6 Jun 2010, 17:24 (Ref:2705548)   #1
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Rallycross 2010 post-mortem

As a old greying Rallycross nut from the very start, spending many wet Saturday afternoons spectating at Crofts ITV World of Sport events I now find my self asking is Rallycross Uk going into yet another of its Lydden Hill death throws, where sadly that is the only venue operating.
This seems to happen with the sport every few years after its just past through a high up on the rise moment, ie after TV left in the seventies and a little bit after the metro/rs200's supercars left in eighties.
I see two championships, too many classes, too few circuits leading to reduced grids and in this time of not much cash about as a rallycross nut it does worry me a lot that the sport might be about to take a dive again.
I see XR4 buggy racing and the new spectacular Suzuki Swift one make series thinning pukka rallycross competitors out even more.
Perhaps many of you will lay into me for my comments, I am a total rallycross nut and would love to hear all the rallycross gang feedback
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 17:34 (Ref:2705554)   #2
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I think looking at your history you are spot on in many ways.

We keep being told by the people involved that it's progress and good having two series.

But I have always called into question the reasoning behind this, and now it seems even more idiotic to have two series running at these difficult times.

I can only report what my friends have said when watching it on telly. And that is, "why are there only two cars in this race?" "Why is it so dusty!!" "Why is a triumph Spitfire racing against an Astra"

You can't expect to promote a series when people don't understand what's going on who are new.

There isn't a lot of money about, so you can't expect people to buy ERC spec cars. But the basic modified rules have totally prevented a 1600 or 1.4 car from being competitive, meaning it's now a two class game where it used to be three or four.

I know you cant make everyone happy, but we had a glut of decent cars in the 70's to the 90's, and now we dont. it's that simple.

Amalgamate the series, get rid of the people who seek to gain rather than promote and let's try and move forward.
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 21:01 (Ref:2705652)   #3
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Rallycross 2010 - Post Mortem

Nice to see another rallycross fan thinks along similar lines, as you say tough times are up on us so lets pray Rallycross does not dive into another death zone.
On the new rallycross tracks and noise problems, its a crying shame modern uk racing circuits cannot show some interest in Rallycross because with current noise regulations being what they are I would think it a no goer for most new non motor sport venue's to start a new track, planners & locals will hammer nails into the venture.
Closing on the noise angle, I reside not far from Croft circuit in Northern UK which is now under strict noise control & believe me from my back garden the Motor Bike meetings far outweigh the noise problem than Rallycross & bog standard car meetings, they produce sounds like a permanent bee swarm all day long, that's no bother to me, but it is to many more.
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 21:02 (Ref:2705653)   #4
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Hard to disagree on any of the points but without being controversial I now only really see one competitive championship with the btrda running along side it.
I would love to see the BRC go with euro div1 & 1a classes plus a non euro regs class for 4wd & 2wd & the btrda running its classes plus the suzukis as it is now. Im not a fan of the RX150 but thats not to say they dont have a place. I know div 1a would be a little thin on the ground to start with but super modifieds are in serious decline & have been in the BRC ever since the Lotus came along.

Maybe it would take a couple of years but if it was made clear that new regs would come in for say 2012 this would give plenty of time for drivers to build or buy cars that fit the new regs & not spend 60 grand plus on building a car for a dieing class. This is just my opinion & i doubt will ever happen but i do feel a long term direction is needed.

As far as other tracks are concerned we sure need more but as has been discussed in previous threads not so easy, it would be great to get back to Croft, and see Blyton developed into a top circuit.
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 21:17 (Ref:2705667)   #5
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The Lotus was only really brought into rallycross to compete with the Evans Nissan Micra

That car uttetly destroyed modified racing in the UK, was brillant but moved the whole deal onto0 a new, more expensive level.

Guys like Bellerby were uhaving to use BTCC tuned engines almost to compete with it and you only have to remmebr the 80 gran price tag of it when it was sold to see how most Escort or otehr cars were never going to compete.

you might say progress, I say regress.
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 21:21 (Ref:2705669)   #6
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Rallycross-210 postmortem

Thanks for the reply, glad for the feedback.
I'm not expecting every competitor turns out in shiny Div 1 European Class Super Car gear with bank manger riding shotgun, the new guys have to start somewhere, but the sport has to watch it doesn't spread itself too thinly & sink itself thus having to start from scratch yet again.
Also how can we keep the new kids on the Rallycross block interested because when they get the talent sadly they drift off into other forms of four wheel sport, possibly not doing as good in that aspect either.
Perhaps some X new Rallycross kids on the block could add their bit to the forum as to why they packed Rallycross in.
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 21:43 (Ref:2705689)   #7
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I think the only way to keep the price tag down is to keep the cars body and chassis as close as possible to standard. No special body panels, just steel or alu as original. Keep the weightlimit a bit high. Maximize the wheels, brakes and turbo to be used (std Garrett for ex).

Compare it to the old Gp A8 and old WRC class: both modified and expensive, but the WRC is to over the top. And keeping it standard doesn't mean it have to be slow: a cheap Impreza can easily run over 300 bhp, so a bit like Gp A8 engine with Gp N4 spec chassis = clubman spec!
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 22:09 (Ref:2705721)   #8
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Get rid of launch control, ALS and quick shift gearboxes, this would also help a huge amount with noise

Ban car to pit radio, this is utterly unnecessary!!

And let them use slick tyres, they can cut them and that measn the tracks can also use less abrasive shale and less tarmac, it cuts up too much with these tyres.
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Old 6 Jun 2010, 22:47 (Ref:2705739)   #9
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Division 1 is not the problem of the British Championship. If you honestly look at it, it's better than ever in my opinion. At what other point in time did you have such variety in topspec machinery on your shores? Maybe the late-eighties but else?

The real problem is the other classes which only have 10-12 cars max, with huge differences between the drivers. There is also too much focus on one-make racing.
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Division 1 is not the problem of the British Championship.
Yes, I know... I only found this the easiest example of comparising 2 classes that appaer to look the same (4wd, turbo, 34mm), but resulting in a slight advantage in terms of speed but a huge increase of costst...
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Get rid of launch control, ALS and quick shift gearboxes, this would also help a huge amount with noise

Ban car to pit radio, this is utterly unnecessary!!
Yep, that will save big bucks...
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Old 7 Jun 2010, 09:19 (Ref:2705902)   #12
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I agree entirely with the points made by Chasing Cars and Dougcross, particularly about the class structures. But this debate has probably been done to death on here in the past. People need to speak up as thats the only way things get changed, if nobody says anything nothing will change. The only way I see it moving forward is if the sport is run by an independent organisation with no ties to any of the existing championships, circuits etc, but I reckon there's more chance of seeing Elvis out in an RX150 at Blyton this weekend! Failing that all the various organisations need to agree to work together. Unfortunatley this seems unlikely. Sad but true.
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Old 7 Jun 2010, 09:47 (Ref:2705923)   #13
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People need to speak up as thats the only way things get changed, if nobody says anything nothing will change.
I couldn't agree more if you have an opinion, let the relevant people have your feedback. I don't think people have the right to complain that their voices aren't being heard when they haven't actually spoken. You may not get your way, especially if you're in a minority, but if you don't try you'll never know.

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I reckon there's more chance of seeing Elvis out in an RX150 at Blyton this weekend!
He's in buggy number 13 (it's his lucky number) on the entry list I've seen...
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Old 7 Jun 2010, 10:34 (Ref:2705948)   #14
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He's in buggy number 13 (it's his lucky number) on the entry list I've seen...
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Old 7 Jun 2010, 12:42 (Ref:2706003)   #15
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I agree entirely with the points made by Chasing Cars and Dougcross, particularly about the class structures.
Having re read the thread I should also say Chunder, WJM and 1975DCS comments as well. Everybody really.
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