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Old 28 Jul 2022, 16:51 (Ref:4120771)   #16
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The story behind what happened next shows some of his character.

Sorry, but what happened? I never followed that story.
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Old 28 Jul 2022, 17:00 (Ref:4120772)   #17
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I think that there are a number of sides to Vettel, some of which are not necessarily published. For example, when at Red Bull, he lived in or just outside Oxford, and on Friday evenings, when not a racing weekend, he would join up with a group of chums to play knockabout football (soccer) before going to the pub with them. He carried on with that even when he became a multiple WDC.

But whilst a Red Bull, it must be remembered that their cars were the very best of that period, much like the Mercs have been until just recently. The problem was that he wasn't then the greatest of overtakers, and there were races when, if not leading almost from the start, then he wasn't able to win - I seem to recall that Webber was often the one to benefit.
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Old 28 Jul 2022, 17:24 (Ref:4120773)   #18
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Very dignified statement from SV, I think he will be like Rosberg and we will not see him in any other sort of race car again.
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Old 28 Jul 2022, 17:43 (Ref:4120774)   #19
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I also disliked Sebastian Vettel in his Red Bull days but since joining Aston Martin he has probably become the main driver I support in Formula 1 along with Mick Schumacher. Mainly because, as I said, he is the most passionate F1 fan of the drivers.

Whether or not he is an all-time great I think depends on how many drivers you classify as all-time greats. I would not put him among the top 10 greatest drivers of all time, but I would put him in the top 15, which I think is enough.

Also these deserve mentions for classic Vettel:
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Old 28 Jul 2022, 17:52 (Ref:4120775)   #20
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Sorry, but what happened? I never followed that story.
It was just a short sequence on the tv coverage.

A link to the highlights of it is here - https://twitter.com/i/status/850528724671807488

Red Bull described the events as:

'A set of very dedicated, but slightly orthographically-challenged, Sebastian Vettel fans had decided to tough out the session, and were proudly displaying a tribute to their hero from the stands, which the circuit's cameras picked up. There was only one problem…

Seb, with nothing better to do in the cockpit of his Ferrari than watch the FOM broadcast, was quick to point out his fans’ error, raising his index finger and thumb to the cameraman in his garage to complain about the missing ‘L’.

With the fans clocking their error and Seb's correction on the big screen, the banner was hastily amended (where did they get the spare 'L' from?) and, order restored, the supporters were treated to their idol's seal of approval…'
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Old 28 Jul 2022, 18:08 (Ref:4120779)   #21
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I think it's very interesting that in the video that's been put out by Vettel & F1 that he said "retire by the end of the season" not "at" or "after".

His English is better than most of ours, so I think that was entirely deliberate.
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Old 28 Jul 2022, 20:18 (Ref:4120790)   #22
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His fluency in English is one of the things I have to respect him for.I hope he doesn't just disappear as I believe his viewpoint on all sorts of topics is worth taking note of.
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Old 28 Jul 2022, 20:27 (Ref:4120793)   #23
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what i enjoy about vettel is that like lewis, he's been through a learning experience very much typical of most of us millenials in his time in the sport. he started out at a point when humour and banter were totally different, and as he's grown up and built a family, he's understood his position of privilege. he's gone to activists and minority groups and asked how he can learn more and be an ally.

sign of a proper gentleman.
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I think it's very interesting that in the video that's been put out by Vettel & F1 that he said "retire by the end of the season" not "at" or "after".



His English is better than most of ours, so I think that was entirely deliberate.
Yeah, that feels like an opening for AMR to sign a guy to the seat or even move over to let a young kid in who might not get the full ride. Possibly the best way for Vettel to head off in to the sunset letting someone deserving but without the money get that taste.
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Old 29 Jul 2022, 06:55 (Ref:4120816)   #25
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Like many, I struggled to like him when he was on top. Got a bit overbearing at times, but in recent years I've grown to like him. He's funny and has an awareness of a world beyond motor racing and stands up for what he believes in

As a driver he was really good. I'd say Fernando and Lewis were better, but he made the most of his opportunities. It went a bit downhill at Ferrari with the amount of errors which probably cost him a title or two, but he seems to found his feet again at Aston and his experience has been invaluable

Have a great retirement Vettel! You are a fine ambassador for our sport
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A driver who I confess I disliked quite strongly when he was in his 'pomp but have grown to like considerably in the last few years. All time great? Perhaps the results speak for themselves.....
During his championship years at Red Bull he was an arrogant and extremely dislikable character. He was good, of course, but I still think four championships flattered him. So not an "all-time great".

His driving fell apart during his latter time at Ferrari, but he became a much nicer person. Indeed, he is now an extremely personable and occasionally funny speaker.

At Aston Martin he also seems to have recovered his driving ability, although it's a bit hard to tell as the car manages to camouflage that well.
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I see a common thread here that many of us feels he was not a very pleasant person before, but has matured a lot. I personally think it's because he was under the influence of some truly toxic people in the RBR team environment. Hang around Helmut Marko and anyone becomes a jerk.


That being said. I really love the Seb Vettel we have today. His passion for the sport, and his knowledge and sharp wit will be missed. I think I agree Alonso and Hamilton are greater drivers, but among those three I'd pick Sebastian to sit down with and have a beer. I really will miss him.
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Old 29 Jul 2022, 16:00 (Ref:4120869)   #28
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I share the sentiment of many here that I really disliked the Red Bull version of Vettel but like the version we have now.
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I see a common thread here that many of us feels he was not a very pleasant person before, but has matured a lot. I personally think it's because he was under the influence of some truly toxic people in the RBR team environment. Hang around Helmut Marko and anyone becomes a jerk.
You may have a point there.
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It's only natural to compare Vettel with other drivers we may place in the pantheon of greats, but it arguably does him a slight disservice, because many will only say he fails to stack up against other serial winners or championship holders. If je were a two-time world champion, he would he said to be a good two-time champion rather than a bad four-time one. And he is certainly not bad. He made the most of his Red Bull opportunity and only started to slide around the time of Ricciardo's arrival and with a change in regulations.

Yes, he demonstrated the importance of the car, but, so what? A very good driver who has also always been someone with a bit of perspective of life outside F1, and who in recent years, has shown a competitive edge without the previous hints of superiority. I think he seems a fantastic person and he's also a fan, just like us.

He may not yet know how to fill the void, but he will use his intelligence, humility and curiosity to do so with aplomb.

All the best to you, Seb.
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