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Old 1 Aug 2022, 07:32 (Ref:4121327)   #31
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I always thought that if you line up with your cars in 2nd and 3rd on the grid, and you had an inherent pace advantage of those immedialy behond you that it is a free pass to do a split stategy and put pressure on the car in front. I know that we are all piling on Ferrari at the moment, but the more I think about the way that they went about this race, the less it makes sense.

And that late stop as well for LeClerc. Did I miss sometihing? Did he have a puncture? If not, what was that all about - by then the damage was done and they compounded matters by stopping again with no chance of making up those 20 seconds even on better tyres.

I'm baffled.
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Old 1 Aug 2022, 08:29 (Ref:4121334)   #32
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I said at the beginning of the season that Ferrari would win the constructor's and Max would win the driver's, as I think Leclerc would not be as consistent as Max, and Ferrari have a solid points scorer in Sainz that would be hindered by team politics. It clearly has not happened.



I don't think Ferrari can do it any longer.



RBR has been silently delivering, and Mercedes has been digging into their fantastic skill. I am almost thinking Mercedes will take 2nd this year!
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Old 1 Aug 2022, 09:46 (Ref:4121349)   #33
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I was thinking a bit about Sainz. He was very quick in the interview pen to say that they were not quick enough. But, I noted his strategy was not as bafflingly bumbled as Leclerc. Is he more assertive towards the team? It have sounded like he has been the strategist in the team some times?
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Old 1 Aug 2022, 09:58 (Ref:4121353)   #34
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RBR has been silently delivering, and Mercedes has been digging into their fantastic skill. I am almost thinking Mercedes will take 2nd this year!
Agree.

It's been like this all year. Merc produced a dog of a car at first and Russell in particular maximised the results every single race. Now they have improved the car and Hamilton's luck has changed. But look at the WDC points!

1 Max Verstappen NED RED BULL RACING RBPT 258
2 Charles Leclerc MON FERRARI 178
3 Sergio Perez MEX RED BULL RACING RBPT 173
4 George Russell GBR MERCEDES 158
5 Carlos Sainz ESP FERRARI 156
6 Lewis Hamilton GBR MERCEDES 146

Verstappen is ambling along to another title.

Another couple of bad races, combined with Merc' finding a couple of tenths and LeClerc might not even get second, in what is arguably the fastest car on the grid.

Ferrari have been bumbling around fighting for 7th and 8th for so long, it's like they have forgotten how to put together a real sharp race strategy.
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Old 1 Aug 2022, 10:15 (Ref:4121356)   #35
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I too was confused by Ferrari choice for hards. On Dutch TV the point was made that Leclerc also has to look at himself. Verstappen and Perez ditched their hards going onto the grid telling the team that's not going to work. Should Leclerc have told the team no, we are not switching too hards? Of course Verstappen and Perez had the advantage of actually having driven the hards to the grid, but it seemed Leclerc wasn't told nor asked how others had performed on the hards. In the cold slight moist conditions there would seem to be every reason to.



If the strategy simulations produce something that doesn't make sense, someone needs to pull the handbrake and say, no we're not going to do that. Leclerc could've been one of the people doing so. There was a joke during the race on Dutch TV: Ferrari have a great strategist in their team, he's called Carlos Sainz.
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Old 1 Aug 2022, 11:18 (Ref:4121364)   #36
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It’s easy to criticise from the outside, it’s a very tight title fight. But the problem is RBR aren’t making mistakes with their strategy, they are pretty much on the ball every time. So Ferrari only have themselves to blame
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Old 1 Aug 2022, 13:11 (Ref:4121387)   #37
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I think Ferrari got a lot of things wrong but I don't think they could have won anyhow.
Just made themselves look less foolish.
But the result would have been not too dissimilar to what we have now.

Like Sainz said, the pace was not just there on Sunday.
He was on the same strategy as Hamilton, and it did work out for Hamilton, not for Sainz.

I don't think Medium-Medium-Soft or Medium-Medium-Soft-Soft would have helped Leclerc finish on the podium.
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I don't think Medium-Medium-Soft or Medium-Medium-Soft-Soft would have helped Leclerc finish on the podium.
When you do the same amount of laps on the medium tyre as the others are doing on the soft, then it won't work, you're right. At one point Ferrari took their cars off the medium after 17 and 18 laps. Others made the softs last that long.

They could've won. They certainly would've been on the podium.
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If the strategy simulations produce something that doesn't make sense, someone needs to pull the handbrake and say, no we're not going to do that. Leclerc could've been one of the people doing so. There was a joke during the race on Dutch TV: Ferrari have a great strategist in their team, he's called Carlos Sainz.

I don't think it's too far off the truth. Carlos is a nice team player, but he is not afraid to speak his mind, and I'm thinking Leclerc is a bit like Ronnie Petersson was, insanely talented but not as good at technical feedback and asserting his view to the team.
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When you do the same amount of laps on the medium tyre as the others are doing on the soft, then it won't work, you're right. At one point Ferrari took their cars off the medium after 17 and 18 laps. Others made the softs last that long.

They could've won. They certainly would've been on the podium.
I'm not convinced.
I think a win was impossible. A podium, maybe?


Sainz did Medium (1-17) - Medium (18-47) - Soft (48-finish)
Hamilton did (1-19) - Medium (20-51) - Soft (52-end)

That's twice just 2 laps difference on the mediums.
I think on Sunday, Hamilton/Mercedes was just faster.

Hamilton finished 8 seconds in front.
2 laps more or 2 less would not have changed that IMO, an neither would a better pit stop (1.1 seconds lost, and 1.4 at the 2nd stop).
The difference would maybe have been smaller, but I think the positions would have been the same.
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Given that Mercedes seems to have unlocked some performance, I can't help but to think this takes some wind out of the sails of the recently floated significant technical regulation changes. All to be pushed through via the "safety" catch all.

I haven't followed this heavily, but I believe they were looking to raise the floor edges by 25mm, adjust the underfloor diffuser throat dimensions, new/additional (more rigorous) measurement/process to detect floor deflection as well as the quantifying and setting a safe limit for impact of repetitive chassis oscillation on the drivers.

I can get behind the oscillation limits and the tougher measurement to stop "flexible floors", but the rest really seems to be focused on helping one team become more competitive (Mercedes?) as it would likely invalidate optimizations and R&D from Red Bull and Ferrari. I think teams such as Red Bull have been advocating for less changes. And an argument has been made that it seems teams are getting a handle on workable solutions within the current regulations.

Would this past weekend (Mercedes 1-2 on podium) indicate a trend that knee jerk dimensional changes should NOT be made? Protecting the drivers (oscillation measurement) is the only "safety" issue, enforce intent of the rules (more rigorous measurement methods), but lets hold off on taking away performance from the underbody wing just because some teams haven't figure out an optimal solution yet. Let the engineers figure this out. Isn't that the purpose of having a constructors championship?

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I don't think it's too far off the truth. Carlos is a nice team player, but he is not afraid to speak his mind, and I'm thinking Leclerc is a bit like Ronnie Petersson was, insanely talented but not as good at technical feedback and asserting his view to the team.
Personally I suspect Leclerc has what it takes to say what's needed when it's needed, but the working relation does not seem to promote the development of the most constructive back and forth in practise.
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I'm not convinced.
I think a win was impossible. A podium, maybe?


Sainz did Medium (1-17) - Medium (18-47) - Soft (48-finish)
Hamilton did (1-19) - Medium (20-51) - Soft (52-end)

That's twice just 2 laps difference on the mediums.
I think on Sunday, Hamilton/Mercedes was just faster.

Hamilton finished 8 seconds in front.
2 laps more or 2 less would not have changed that IMO, an neither would a better pit stop (1.1 seconds lost, and 1.4 at the 2nd stop).
The difference would maybe have been smaller, but I think the positions would have been the same.
I reckon a large part of Mercedes and RB pace compared to Ferrari was the fact Lewis and Max were largly in clean and not fighting with cars of simular pace. Especially Max was pulled in when stuck and mostly only had to fight significant slower cars costing him little time.
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Personally I suspect Leclerc has what it takes to say what's needed when it's needed, but the working relation does not seem to promote the development of the most constructive back and forth in practise.

That might very well be the case. I do feel Leclerc has been most often hosed, though. OTOH he has more often been up front...


But, the culture in Ferrari is not exactly known to be open for constructive criticism, no.
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Ferrari need to be very careful, talent like Leclerc's is a mercurial and vulnerable thing. They gave Vettel a car up to the job yet it didn't work out, Alonso bailed and he's no snowflake (to use an awful recent term). They should be leading both championships, yet they're not. Wagging a finger at a smaller, younger man is rarely supportive. Supporting your strategy guy after so many errors indicates poor priorities.
They need to get the right people in the right jobs. RBR are an exemplar at this, whether you like them or not.
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