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Teammates comparison 2022
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BA SA AU ER MI SP MO AZ GRID RACE TOTAL VER-PER 10 01 10 11 11 11 00 01 = 5-3 5-3 10- 6 55% Equality LEC-SAI 11 11 11 11 11 10 10 11 = 8-0 6-2 14- 2 99.6% Utterly busted! HAM-RUS 11 00 10 00 10 00 00 00 = 3-5 1-7 4-12 92% Almost busted So, "10" in Emilia Romagna for Red Bull means Verstappen was better in qualy (I DON'T BOTHER with mini race's positions grid!) while Perez was better classified in the (proper) race. GRID: scores in qualy RACE: scores in races TOTAL: sum of the two Percentage: In an approx statistical alaguage, probability (or degree of certainty) that the driver ahead is really ahead (and not just by random chance). I add a descriptive text to help to interpret thos probabilities: -- Utterly busted: the driver behind performed worse with virtually total certainty (no bad luck excuses!). -- Busted: the driver behind performed worse almost surely. -- Almost busted: the driver behind is nearly being busted. -- Advantage: the driver ahead probably is performing better but not yet without a "reasonable doubt". -- Equality: the minor differences can be easily due to random events. I get the info in a slightly convoluted way in FORIX (convoluted because I try to save time and effort) so I hope there are not errors but... I would be happy if someone see any anomaly and tell it here. I love true data and hate false data (well, "hate" is a bit exaggerated word here). In a future I could increase the number of teams to compare. But I am notoriously unreliable in my schedule, so who knows? ![]() |
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Thanks so much, Schummy. I would love to spot anomalies, as you say, but I'm in no position to present you with anything other than false data.
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I always like looking at these so thanks for doing it again.
I guess for me the question is do we have enough data to make a meaningful statistical analysis yet. For Max and Checo they are on "equality" currently but IF Max had lasted 1 lap more in Bahrain and Checo 1 lap less they would be 11-5 rather than 10-6 which is quite a swing statistically. |
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Oh, 11-5 and 10-6 are statistically very similar. Imagine throwing 16 times a coin, and repeating the experiment several times. Just by chance you would get a lot more variability than that,however the coin is exactly the same in all those experiments.
Sorry if I extend my babbling a bit more but I think it is an interesting point. (^_^)' We, humans (and perhaps some users who are AIs in disguise :-p ), tends to be biased to perceive patterns where there is not more than randomness. Luckily. cold math calculations can save us of this king of bias of our mind. So, 4-12 for Hamilton is rare to be observed by chance if LH and GR were equal. It could still happen, so Hammy is "Almost busted". However, Sainz's 2-14 is almost impossible to be gotten between two equal teammates just by chance. Thus, he is "Utterly busted": he is surely performing worse than Leclerc and not by bad luck alone. |
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Yeah, perhaps the two surprises of the season are HAM-RUS and VER-PER. Very interesting couple of teams. It is also interesting to see the faces of Wolf and Horner in certain moments when they are caught off-guard by camera :-D . The current narrative is not what they expected/wished, although Horner position is more pleasant! One of my next team to watch is McLaren! However, I am afraid data are going to bring bad news for "Ricky". |
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After Canada:
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BA SA AU ER MI SP MO AZ CA GRID RACE TOTAL VER-PER 10 01 10 11 11 11 00 01 11 = 6-3 6-3 12- 6 76% Advantage LEC-SAI 11 11 11 11 11 10 10 11 00 = 8-1 6-3 14- 4 97% Busted! HAM-RUS 11 00 10 00 10 00 00 00 11 = 4-5 2-7 6-12 76%(*) Advantage NOR-RIC 10 11 11 11 10 01 11 10 00 = 7-2 5-4 12- 6 76%(*) Advantage "Surprisingly", Ricky is not doing so badly. LOL, he is like Hamilton vs Russell!! Maybe Toto will begin to search for a replacement for 2023? ![]() Now, Red Bull, Mercedes and McLaren are in the same state (12-6). In every case, the stronger driver needs at least three GPs to bust his teammate, so, they are safe in the short term. |
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Updating just before La France!
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BA SA AU ER MI SP MO AZ CA GB AT GRID RACE TOTAL VER-PER 10 01 10 11 11 11 00 01 11 10 11 = 8-3 7-4 15- 7 87% Advantage LEC-SAI 11 11 11 11 11 10 10 11 00 00 11 = 9-2 7-4 16- 6 95% Busted! HAM-RUS 11 00 10 00 10 00 00 00 11 11 01 = 5-6 4-7 9-13 48% Equality NOR-RIC 10 11 11 11 10 01 11 10 00 11 11 = 9-2 7-4 16- 6 95% Busted! -- Verstappen went on edging Perez -- Sainz somewhat continues braking a bit his fall. -- Lewis continues his clear counterattack and just reached the "Equality" label. -- Lando continues acting as his uncle Chuck, crushing poor Ricky. Now Ricciardo is as busted as Sainz... and it is not a good thing. If Max won 2-0 Sergio in the next two races (Qualy and Race), he will have "busted" him. I have the idea to incorporate Renault... sorry, I mean Alpine, and Haas (aka Ogregüntherhaus, ok he is not from GER/AUT but still... ![]() |
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Update after France.
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BA SA AU ER MI SP MO AZ CA GB AT FR GRID RACE TOTAL VER-PER 10 01 10 11 11 11 00 01 11 10 11 11 = 9-3 8-4 17- 7 94% Almost busted LEC-SAI 11 11 11 11 11 10 10 11 00 00 11 10 = 10-2 7-5 17- 7 94%(*) Almost busted(*) HAM-RUS 11 00 10 00 10 00 00 00 11 11 01 11 = 6-6 5-7 11-13 16% Equality NOR-RIC 10 11 11 11 10 01 11 10 00 11 11 11 = 10-2 8-4 18- 6 98% Busted!
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A complementary couple of graphics.
The first one is the evolution of (the first three) team scores in the first 12 races (until France). I have considered normal races, not sprint races and I have graph'ed a smoothing moving average showing the long term performance rather than the particular points in each race. That way it is easier to see trends.
It's important to take in account that all those calculations are done smoothing the particular results in each race to extract the theoretical performance in each time. |
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Update after Hungary.
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. BA SA AU ER MI SP MO AZ CA GB AT FR HU GRID RACE TOTAL VER-PER 10 01 10 11 11 11 00 01 11 10 11 11 11 = 10-3 9-4 19- 7 97% Busted! LEC-SAI 11 11 11 11 11 10 10 11 00 00 11 10 00 = 10-3 7-6 17- 9 83% Advantage HAM-RUS 11 00 10 00 10 00 00 00 11 11 01 11 01 = 6-7 6-7 12-14 15% Equality NOR-RIC 10 11 11 11 10 01 11 10 00 11 11 11 11 = 11-2 9-4 20- 6 99.1% Utterly busted!! .
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Charles hasn't beaten Sainz since Miami. The form has flipped around.
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Sainz has been the stronger driver of late, however Charles is probably still quicker on raw speed. But both are being held back by Ferrari not doing great of late
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I think FIA should mandate Ferrari's strategist go to Red Bull, Merc's go to Ferrari and RedBull's to Merc.
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