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Hungarian Grand Prix 2022: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 13 of 22

The history

The Hungarian Grand Prix goes back to 1936 in Budapest and was run in Népliget, the largest park in the capital. It was won by Scuderia Ferrari with Tazio Nuvolari driving an Alfa Romeo.

The Grand Prix was not run again until 1986 and although not highly regarded in earlier days, it has come to be much more appreciated over the years, perhaps due to its rather unique track, which has been over-simplistically compared to 'Monaco without the houses'. Actually, only Monza has hosted more consecutive races than the Hungaroring, a circuit where it can be tremendously difficult to pass, yet which throws up some enthralling races.

Quite unlike Monte Carlo, there are some reasonably long and winding corners, which lend it its own relentless nature; in Sector 2 particularly, there is little respite for the drivers. Some drivers love it for this reason and have talked about how it is great to be able to get into a groove here. The misnomer also fails to take into account how with more run-off than the Monte Carlo street circuit, limits can be pushed differently.

The downhill Turn 1 plunges tight-right, with another straight the critical preparation for a sort of hairpin at Turn 2, several approaches to it meaning that passes are possible here on the opening tour. After then shooting around 60 degrees right, a straight takes the drivers uphill before the quick left, Turn 4, is soon halted by a tight right, Turn 5. The track then heads into a quick chicane with a 90 right and a much more open left on the exit, daring drivers to push harder to gain more time through there.

After a left at Turn 8 and the 90-right Turn 9, the track sweeps through 10, goes 90 right at 11 and 12 and then goes into two long hairpins to end the lap, a constant test of balance and throttle control as drivers wait eagerly to stamp on the throttle again. The DRS detection zone is just before the final of these and there is activation on the start-finish straight and just coming out of Turn 1.

In the inaugural world championship Grand Prix in 1986, Williams's Nelson Piquet put a great pass around the Lotus of Ayrton Senna at Turn 1 on opposite lock. After a wheel nut came off Nigel Mansell's car the following year on Lap 70, he took that one too. Derek Warwick took the final point in sixth despite driving with flu and conjunctivitis. Jonathan Palmer came seventh and won the Jim Clark Cup that year for normally-aspirated cars.

In 1988, Alain Prost made an audacious move on Ayrton Senna and the drivers they were lapping, Gabriele Tarquini and Yannick Dalmas. However, he ran wide at Turn 1. Senna went on to win from Prost and Thierry Boutsen, who often seemed to figure well at this circuit. Nigel Mansell retired, feeling unwell with chicken pox before he missed the next two Grands Prix.

The next year, Mansell made a decisive move on Ayrton Senna exiting Turn 3 as they caught Stefan Johansson's Onyx, and went on to win the race after scything his way through from 12th on the grid. Boutsen was once again third for Williams.

In 1990 Thierry Boutsen held Ayrton Senna at bay for lap after lap to win, and was the victim of rather disparaging comments about how tough it was to overtake here instead of being congratulated on a solid defensive drive.

The following two years, Senna won and Nigel Mansell took his championship here in 1992.

Damon's first victory was in 1993, following two races he had led and had failures in. As he usually did in 1994, Michael Schumacher won in his Benetton-Ford. He was followed home by Damon Hill and Jos Verstappen.

In 1995, Damon Hill won from pole position in a race in which Taki Inoue was hit by a marshal's car as he tried to put a fire out on his Footwork. Jacques Villeneuve won in 1996, followed home by team-mate Hill.

It was, in fact, Damon who was the star of the slightly bizarre 1997 race, which he so nearly won for Arrows before lugging the car home runner-up. There were few Bridgestone-shod teams in that first year for the Japanese manufacturer and that day the Bridgestones were the tyres to have. Damon came within a whisker of a win, a hydraulic pump failure three laps before the chequered flag giving him an intermittent throttle and only third gear at his disposal. Villeneuve again took the win.

1998 was another notable race, where Michael Schumacher was ordered by Ferrari to build an enormous lead (24 seconds) in order to emerge from his final splash-and-dash stop ahead of McLaren’s David Coulthard. He managed 27 seconds. Mika Hakkinen won the next two races, in 2000 jumping ahead of Schumacher and Coulthard off the grid to take the lead.

A Ferrari one-two for Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello in 2001 meant that the Scuderia clinched their third consecutive constructors’ championship, while Ferrari grabbed their fourth in a row the next year as this time it was Barrichello who finished in front of Schumacher, with Ralf Schumacher in third.

Alonso led home Räikkönen and Montoya to take his first win in 2003, becoming the youngest driver to win a world championship Grand Prix until newly-announced retiree Vettel beat that record. It was another Ferrari 1-2 for Schumacher and Barrichello in 2004, while Räikkönen led home Michael and Ralf Schumacher in 2005.

Button’s first Hungarian Grand Prix win in 2006, and first Grand Prix win overall, was from 14th on the grid, the furthest back anyone has won at the circuit, in a wet race. Pedro de la Rosa was second for McLaren.

In 2007, we saw the McLaren qualifying controversy when Fernando Alonso waited in the pits to stop Lewis Hamilton from getting around to the start-line in enough time to make it for a hot lap and a livid Ron Dennis could be seen on the pitwall. Lewis turned the tables in the race. Lewis’s team-mate Heikki Kovalainen took his only win in 2008 after Felipe Massa’s engine blew up on Lap 67. Timi Glock followed home in second for Toyota.

The next year, it was Massa who was injured in qualifying when a spring from Barrichello’s Brawn flew off and hit him in the helmet. Hamilton won the race. In 2010, Mark Webber went back into the lead of the world championship after winning with Red Bull.

McLaren took the next two wins, with Button in 2011 and Hamilton in 2012.
Hamilton took his first win for Mercedes in 2013, the last race of that season that was not won by Sebastian Vettel.

In 2014, one of the stars of the season, Daniel Ricciardo came through from 4th on the grid to take the last of his three 2014 wins.

In 2015, both Mercedes drivers had particularly scrappy runs. Daniel Ricciardo collided with Hamilton and Rosberg and Sebastian Vettel took the victory. The next year, eventual world champion Rosberg won from Hamilton and Ricciardo.

In 2017, it was the Red Bull team mates' turn to collide. Vettel won from Räikkönen and Bottas, who had been let back through by Hamilton, who had earlier given him the same favour.

A year later, Lewis Hamilton won from pole and would become the first driver since Michael Schumacher in 2004 to win the race and go on to win the championship that year. This was also the first of a hat-trick of victories. Bottas was in 2nd, but had made contact with both Vettel and Ricciardo while being overtaken, ending up down in 5th.

In 2019, Hamilton beat Max Verstappen after hunting him down from 15 seconds back with 14 laps to run, while Vettel came 3rd. A year later, Hamilton's victory was again over Verstappen and then Bottas. The world champion's team-mate had moved slightly before the start, but the sensors did not determine it to be a big enough move to merit a penalty. The drivers soon pitted for dry tyres after the damp start and the Haas cars of Kevin Magnussen and Romain Grosjean found themselves both running in the top four after starting on a dry compound, with Magnussen going on to finish in tenth.

Last year, Esteban Ocon took an incredible maiden victory. It was wet at the start and Bottas hit Lando Norris, who went into Verstappen, but managed to continue. He also collided with Sergio Pérez. Lance Stroll crashed into Charles Leclerc and Daniel Ricciardo spun. Five cars were out on the first lap. A collision between Kimi Räikkönen and Nikita Mazepin led to a red flag, on which we saw Hamilton the only one on the grid for the restart, opting for intermediates, with everyone else preferring to go from the pitlane and change to slicks.

Ocon won from Vettel and Hamilton, but Vettel was later disqualified for fuel irregularities, leaving Carlos Sainz in 3rd.


Trivia

First-time winners at the Hungaroring are Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button, Heikki Kovalainen (his only Grand Prix win), Damon Hill and Esteban Ocon (his only win so far).

Lewis Hamilton enters his fourth century of Grands Prix this weekend. No-one who has started 300 Grands Prix has won again.

Sebastian Vettel has announced his retirement. He is 3rd on the all-time Grand Prix wins list, behind only Michael Schumacher and Hamilton and joint-4th in terms of number of world championships, level with Alain Prost and behind just Juan Manuel Fangio, Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher.


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Other information

Circuit length: 4.381 km
Number of laps: 70
Race distance: 306.63 km
Dry weather tyre compounds: C2, C3 and C4

Race Lap Record: 1:16.627 (2020 - Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes)
First Grand Prix: 1936
First Grand Prix at this circuit: 1986
First Grand Prix on current configuration: 2003

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Old 29 Jul 2022, 16:30 (Ref:4120872)   #2
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Leclerc fastest in FP2, he needs a big weekend. He needs a win and preferably something to go wrong for Max. Good to see Norris up there

Big question is, will qualifying go ahead tomorrow? Weather forecast is looking worse than bad.
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Old 30 Jul 2022, 00:34 (Ref:4120904)   #3
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bathurst77 should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridbathurst77 should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridbathurst77 should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
much excitement from Ted n co re Astons rear wing, but the time sheets dont show anything remarkable
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Old 30 Jul 2022, 07:12 (Ref:4120918)   #4
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There has been a bit of improvement by the Aston, certainly it's an ingenious solution they've come up with with that rear wing
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Excellent intro as ever.


It's not quite there yet but it is coming up to crunch time for Leclerc and therefore this is a fairly pivotal race and one that Leclerc needs to win. Verstappen has a 63 point lead and if he were to DNF in the next three GPs and Leclerc win them, that would give Leclerc a 12 point lead.

Of course that is very unlikely to happen, however Leclerc has got to start winning and making inroads into Verstappen's lead. There are 10 races left but not wanting to state the obvious, each time Leclerc fails to make those inroads, that's another opportunity gone.
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Is the world feed for quali totally wonky for anyone or is it just my Roku/ESPN app? It's choppy!
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Congrats to Russell on his first F1 Pole. Sainz, Leclerc, Norris, Ocon and Alonso in the top 6. Verstappen is 10th.
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I wonder how Ferrari are going to shoot themselves in the foot this week?
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Is the world feed for quali totally wonky for anyone or is it just my Roku/ESPN app? It's choppy!
For what it's worth Field, we get Sky Sports coverage via TSN up here and coverage was fine, no stalls or choppy playback whatever. Again, for what that's worth.
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Well was certainly not expecting a russell pole,
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Listening to GR's account of the race weekend so far, it seems Mercedes have no idea what was wrong with the car yesterday or what's right with it today!
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That was fun. It's always nice to see someone new get a pole or a win. Especially if they have spent the last 3 years or so in the worse car on the grid!

Should be interesting tomorrow, with both Red Bulls trying to move forwards, and just what can Russell do from pole?
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Well done Russell on that pole. Ferrari are really in the pound seats, not only 2nd and 3rd, but their main rival RBR down in 10th and 11th
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Leclerc finally gets past Russell for the lead.
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