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Old 19 Jul 2017, 15:26 (Ref:3752816)   #5011
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And in road cars. I'm afraid it's more to do with the inherent advantage it has.
However those "advantages" are decided upon in terms of the ruleset which the teams work to. Someone out there in the powers-that-be decides, "ok well, we are going to give the turbo cars 1.4bar of turbo pressure". This is where the advantage comes from surely, or at least part of it? If they had a 500bhp turbo car and a 500bhp NA car, things would be about equal, if you disregard things like weight distribution and chassis dynamics. Of course you have the engine torque to work into the equation, so really, a 500bhp NA and turbo wouldnt be equal, you would have to work that into the rules, so that a NA engine was 500bhp, but the turbo was 470bhp, or something to that effect.
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 15:42 (Ref:3752820)   #5012
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Well that Juttner WEC quote in the other thread sure is worrying.
The translation is a bit confusing: in this context he meant Joest can't partner with Toyota or Porsche.
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 17:16 (Ref:3752836)   #5013
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However those "advantages" are decided upon in terms of the ruleset which the teams work to. Someone out there in the powers-that-be decides, "ok well, we are going to give the turbo cars 1.4bar of turbo pressure". This is where the advantage comes from surely, or at least part of it? If they had a 500bhp turbo car and a 500bhp NA car, things would be about equal, if you disregard things like weight distribution and chassis dynamics. Of course you have the engine torque to work into the equation, so really, a 500bhp NA and turbo wouldnt be equal, you would have to work that into the rules, so that a NA engine was 500bhp, but the turbo was 470bhp, or something to that effect.
Too complicated. Open rules work the best, even if in the end it converges.
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Old 22 Jul 2017, 11:40 (Ref:3753505)   #5014
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Vasselon said we should see “competitive” speeds, likely equivalent to LMP2 cars, on the electric stretch.

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Old 22 Jul 2017, 16:26 (Ref:3753540)   #5015
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They need to be faster than lmp2. We saw what happened with Lapierre. Thinking he was clear of the p2?
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Old 23 Jul 2017, 02:13 (Ref:3753670)   #5016
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IMO it's useless tinkering anyway. Guess they had to come up with something new.
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Old 24 Jul 2017, 19:27 (Ref:3754043)   #5017
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IMO it's useless tinkering anyway. Guess they had to come up with something new.
To be fair, it's a rule that's likely there because someone asked for it, or something like it...
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They need to be faster than lmp2. We saw what happened with Lapierre. Thinking he was clear of the p2?
Or don't turn into a car that is alongside? Maybe the LMP1 driver could behave like they want the other divers to behave for a few corners?

I'm not having a dig at Lapierre I'm just saying it should already part of a driver's skill set.
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If LMP3 and GTE Am drivers can cope with cars being similar speed, the ultra super duper platinums should cope just fine.
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If LMP3 and GTE Am drivers can cope with cars being similar speed, the ultra super duper platinums should cope just fine.
The difference is that LMP3 and GTE in similar speed every lap. So when a driver sees a car he knows what speed it is going go instead of suddenly going slower still in normal racing line.
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This is the case and now we have another small facet to test the drivers and teams. I don't think it is overly dangerous, certainly no more than many other aspects of the sport. Like, say, that LMP3 (or 2) or GTE car having a slower driver in it compared to the others.

Perhaps we could help them by having a light on the rear, similar to the hybrid recovery light on F1 cars. Of course it will be for 1km after pit exit and if you start catching an LMP1 it'll be a clue.
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I believe the LMP1-H cars already use the hybrid recovery lights on the rear.

I really don't see this as an issue. We've had GTE and old generation Mini Coppers around the Ring. We've had Group C on track with Ford Escorts. I don't see the problem with drivers having to cope with different speeds of cars.
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I believe the LMP1-H cars already use the hybrid recovery lights on the rear.

I really don't see this as an issue. We've had GTE and old generation Mini Coppers around the Ring. We've had Group C on track with Ford Escorts. I don't see the problem with drivers having to cope with different speeds of cars.
Exactly.

Modern cars are So much safer than those as well.
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To me, it goes back to what Derek Bell said at LM in 2011: in his time, you had bigger top speed separation between the classes and, especially at LM, more straightaways to pass cars on. Now LM has the chicanes and the sweeping S section from Dunlop Bridge to the actual Esses. And there's not as huge a gap in top speed between GT cars and Prototypes. Granted, a lot of that does go all the way back 25 years ago to the start of the air restrictor days.

But we do see a lot more passes being made under braking and in cornering vs down a straight away compared to earlier times. And even then, most passes on straights happen because prototypes are lighter and accelerate quicker, and hit their top speeds earlier. IE, especially the hybrid cars, are quicker, but not necessarily faster.

No matter what, though, as long as we have humans driving cars that make judgement calls--some good, some bad--on both side of the spectrum, there will always be collisions and accidents.
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If LMP3 and GTE Am drivers can cope with cars being similar speed, the ultra super duper platinums should cope just fine.
It's not about the driver rating, because even the 'platinum' guys get it wrong, obviously. They're putting out a new rule that will make blending with traffic even more of a challenge, which is a safety issue; yet they're making the cockpits bigger to help with safety I don't care if they do electric for 10 seconds or 1 minute, it's just another rule that doesn't look all the way thought through. That's just me though.
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