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True.
Or that maybe he actually did say he doesn't like it, a few times (like almost every other team principle did), but there was nothing anyone could have done to stop the Halo going on the cars anyway. The FiA had mandated it. LOL @ the conspiracy theorists with their 'Mercedes has issues with the Halo' comments!?? It was Mercedes that came up with the Halo design in the first place! |
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Finally an onboard video with Halo fitted.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/966757806857703425 That is terrible!! |
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Not in the slightest - there was much discussion about alternatives and he was in at least some of those meetings, plenty of public discussion on which he could have commented at any time (I seem to recall Mr Lauda doing exactly that) and as someone deep in the middle of the game, he would have know what was going on.
I don't disagree with him but I don't really understand the need to make noise once the horse has well and truly bolted. |
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The halo is an abomination in my view. Just an ill-thought out exercise in corporate ass covering.
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Agree with Toto, the halo is never gonna be good looking.
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so obviously fans like us are pretty much in agreement...the HALO, despite its best intentions, looks horrible.
once the world at large sees them at the first race, will opinion reach another level of scrutiny and public backlash? will this be like the failed change in quali from a few years back...when the world sees it in action for the first time, will the negative attention be enough for them to change the rules early/mid season? so question, can the HALO be removed at this point? maybe not during the early season fly away races but by the time they return for the European portion of the season? |
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something minor of course, but a driver who has stopped trackside finds themselves getting stuck inside their HALO as they try to extract themselves without any help. then a red flag as assistance is given. im picturing some sort of winnie the pooh getting stuck in a jar of honey type scenario. more of a comedy of errors but enough to give cause for their removal! but seriously...yeah i agree, think we are stuck with these things for a while! |
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I am not at all concerned about the Halo 😇 because in reality I don’t believe it’s going to stay on the cars for that long ....
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same, i could genuinely see them switching to a windscreen and saying they thought it was of great importance to get something, anything onto the cars to protect the drivers.
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But didn't the FIA say, they wanted something in place for this season? If they drop the Halo, how quickly can they implement another device, Shield included, without adequate testing?
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They had a priority to introduce something that solved a problem. They also introduced a deadline. To do this they have introduced this. You could argue they could have developed something else, but, at least at one point, it looks like it wouldn’t be ready for the deadline. Now they can hone this, and look at other solutions to improve on this.
Please understand I’m not saying anything is actually needed. However, rather than just be glib I am attempting to understand a situation. I wanted a house with a garage. At first I couldn’t afford one, so I moved in somewhere without a garage. I did not chose to get cold and wet every night until I could afford a house with a garage. I don’t agree with this, but I can see how we have got here. |
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In that video of bottas it is really distracting when going straight. It draws your eyes right to it.
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in fairness it doesn’t impose on the forward view much, though you’d not have to be far behind a car to lose it behind the centre pillar.
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I hope it's gone in time and replaced by a windshield, that one is not only more elegant, but IMHO more practical than the halo
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I lived in a house without a garage. I wanted a garage so I bought a house with a shed because it kinda looks like a garage. Then one day I might buy a house with a garage. What I don't get is why this problem needed to be solved by this deadline. It's been a "problem" for 100 years, but we HAVE to fix it by 2018, even if it means a bad solution is used. Unless you're rushing things in to make sure you get credit for the safety innovation that is. Then it makes sense. |
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The reason that F1 has the Halo is because Todt (and the FIA) announced that a suitable solution would be introduced for the 2017 season at the latest.
This was then extended to the commencement of 2018 because: a) The Halo hadn't undergone sufficient testing b) The teams wanted to evaluate the aero screen and/or other devices c) Vettel and/or Ferrari (delete as applicable) didn't like the aero screen and d) The teams were not prepared to spend further monies on developing a suitable substitute, and nor were the FIA. |
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