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Old 25 Aug 2018, 04:40 (Ref:3845912)   #331
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Any word/guesses on what one of these beasts will cost now that we know engine/gearbox/chassis? Interested how they compare to F4, Super2 and the Ute series in price.
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Old 25 Aug 2018, 05:20 (Ref:3845914)   #332
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Any word/guesses on what one of these beasts will cost now that we know engine/gearbox/chassis? Interested how they compare to F4, Super2 and the Ute series in price.
They've said the aim is 300k. So I'd reckon a 2nd hand Supercar would be around the 400 to 450 mark and F4 wouldn't be over 100k I wouldn't think.

The F5000 cars wouldn't require much staff to run though which is a positive. Could get away with a couple of mechanics, engineer/team manager and require a lot less maintenance between events than a Super2 car.

I reckon the total running costs would sit neatly in between a Super2 and F4 program.
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Old 25 Aug 2018, 12:29 (Ref:3845963)   #333
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Any word/guesses on what one of these beasts will cost now that we know engine/gearbox/chassis? Interested how they compare to F4, Super2 and the Ute series in price.
The chassis being used as the basis for the car -the F3 Americas chassis-itself costs about $99,000 USD, which comes to $135,000 AUD at current exchange rate. I highly doubt a stock block engine that will be producing less than 600 horsepower is likely to double that cost, but the chassis will need some revisions to fit the engine and make the whole thing work with the massive rear tires, so it's cost will likely be a bit higher than the base F3 car.

So unless the changes to the chassis requires a MASSIVE overhaul to make the engine and fatter rear tires work, I think $300,000 AUD for a ready to run car is a reasonable expectation. That might even be a bit of a high estimate.
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Old 29 Aug 2018, 23:03 (Ref:3846982)   #334
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I much prefer the original Chris Lambden F5000 to this latest design.

If original F 5000 designs are considered unsafe by FIA why are they allowed to compete in Hietorics around the world?
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Old 29 Aug 2018, 23:35 (Ref:3846985)   #335
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If original F 5000 designs are considered unsafe by FIA why are they allowed to compete in Hietorics around the world?

Historic racing series are usually not FIA-sanctioned/approved, but even in cases where they are, they are not required to adhere to modern FIA standards - they must adhere to the regulations of the time they were built in. (otherwise they wouldn't be historic cars anymore)


Interestingly, I recently learned that in historic races here in the US, it's not uncommon(though by no means standard practice) to find some spots in the chassis to fit "boxes" of carbon fiber to absorb impacts. They not only help make things safer for the driver, they help protect harder to restore core components of the cars.
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Old 17 Nov 2018, 13:08 (Ref:3863768)   #336
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I much prefer the original Chris Lambden F5000 to this latest design.
Unfortunately the FT5000 had a 2010-spec (i.e., meets 2010 F1 crash tests) tub, which was fine until 2017 as GP2 still raced a 2010-spec tub too --- but sadly in 2018 onwards, a halo is now rather the must have thing and there is no getting out of having one (at least if you want to be FIA sanctioned). Formula 1 with halo, Formula 2 (GP2) with halo, Formula 3 with halo, Formula E with halo -- a halo for everybody. Such is progress...

Simply delaying for one year has made it untenable (as a halo-sceptic for instance) to say "oops, already built the cars, no halo for us"!

Sadly, only pre-existing FIA classes can mount a reasonable argument to persevere with non-halo designs...

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Old 17 Nov 2018, 13:24 (Ref:3863769)   #337
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Something I'd have rather seen over the Coyote engine, though, is to just use the TA2 engines.

Yeah, they're 6.1-liter engines, not 5-liter, but you could differentiate the new series from the old, solidifying it as a MODERN incarnation in the minds of the people in the process, by calling it Formula 6000.
I see that TA2 use some kind of Chevrolet LS engine according to http://ta2racingaustralia.com/the-cars/ . Another option would be the newer Chevrolet LT engine which is direct injected. ( https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines )

One does ponder why Mr. Lamden choose the Ford DOHC Coyote over the slightly lighter and smaller^ Chevrolet LS3 that tuners seem to love!

^ LS3 is 12lbs lighter and nearly 5 inches narrower according to https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...-dyno-results/

Wouldn't mind seeing the 755hp supercharged 6.2L Chevrolet LT5 in an open wheeler -- I wonder if the thermal management of the thing is up for being raced flat out for lap after lap! [Surely Chevrolet's finest engineering wouldn't overheat. ]
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Old 17 Nov 2018, 13:29 (Ref:3863770)   #338
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I'm part of this project and think the release tomorrow will please most people aesthetically
I'm wondering why the choice to run 13" front wheels, when the rears are 15"? I take it, it recreates the 70's aesthetic, but wouldn't that increase front brake wear compared to running a larger brake under a 15" front wheel, or are the smaller rotors so good these days that it doesn't matter?
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Old 17 Nov 2018, 20:54 (Ref:3863816)   #339
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I'm wondering why the choice to run 13" front wheels, when the rears are 15"? I take it, it recreates the 70's aesthetic, but wouldn't that increase front brake wear compared to running a larger brake under a 15" front wheel, or are the smaller rotors so good these days that it doesn't matter?

I believe those are TIRE size differences, actually, not WHEEL size. All renderings show the actual wheels being of similar size.
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Why does it remind me of a Shrike FH?
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 02:57 (Ref:3864098)   #342
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Seems promising: https://youtu.be/NZBGzpicoWs?t=1253

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Why does it remind me of a Shrike FH?

Good looking car!

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Got a nice gruntly sounding V8,thats good,lets race...
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Certainly looks better than the renderings. Hopefully it performs better than the F3 car upon which it is based.
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Definitely got the retro look down pat.

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