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Old 5 Aug 2018, 06:34 (Ref:3841524)   #16
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Gardner single-handedly put world motorcycle racing on the map here in Australia, ,,,,
That's a big statement...a few went before who had some success as well...

Wayne? can we see a doco on Mr Rainey too sometime?
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Old 5 Aug 2018, 11:38 (Ref:3841567)   #17
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That's a big statement...a few went before who had some success as well...
Certainly, but it was Wayne's successes that convinced SBS to pick up the rights to the 500cc World Championship, and Gardner's 1987 Championship win that convinced Ch9 to takeover the rights (and Barry Sheene) which gave the series a much bigger platform in this country. Couple that with Gardner's title win being an instrumental piece in getting Australia and Phillip Island a round of the world championship, and Gardner's inaugural win there, at a time when any Australian sporting success on the world stage was huge news

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can we see a doco on Mr Rainey too sometime?
Would absolutely love to see that too
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Old 5 Aug 2018, 14:11 (Ref:3841588)   #18
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That's a big statement...a few went before who had some success as well...

Wayne? can we see a doco on Mr Rainey too sometime?
One of which I know personally and none of them had the exposure of Gardner perhaps because Honda had become aware of how to promote racing. In fact the other Australian world champion for Honda pre dating Gardner would as a rule be totally unknown here.
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In fact the other Australian world champion for Honda pre dating Gardner would as a rule be totally unknown here.
Tom Phillis?
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"It's a love story" - some insight on the film from the director, and from Wayne:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ent...03-p4zvd8.html

Focus appears to be on Motorcycle racing, if Wayne's words are to mean anything:
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Gardner knows the feeling, of course. He still rides four years ago, he established a legends circuit, and he is confident it is on the brink of going global and after retiring from the GP circuit in 1992 he had a reasonably successful stint in car racing.
"That was good, but it wasn't fulfilling the same thrill as racing a motorcycle at warp three," he says. "Racing cars was fun but it isn't that ultimate challenge of playing with your life, so it never quite filled the gap. But it was a good distraction."
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Funny, he has a huge fan base OS especially Japan so he might not be too worried. I think the biggest problem here was his desire to win was bigger than the local drivers were used to. They operated at a level lower than he did as it was more comfortable for them, a bit like an old boys club could be a good way to put it. To them WG was a loose cannon who upset the agenda that they had been working on for years. Walkinshaw did the same but he had the backing and know how to win at the same time. I can recall very clearly the night before the Bathurst race when Walkinshaw ran the Jags, a table of people in a restaurant tried to convince me the locals were going to wipe the floor with him and I couldn't stop laughing long enough to convince them otherwise.
Good post! Took the spotlight off a lot of wannabees and never wouldbees.
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i read a piece by Craig Lowndes (likely ghost-written, but...!) and he was recalling how Gardner told him he'd never be a champion or amount to anything.

Gardner won only one race in his V8 time, of course
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i read a piece by Craig Lowndes (likely ghost-written, but...!) and he was recalling how Gardner told him he'd never be a champion or amount to anything.

Gardner won only one race in his V8 time, of course
Interesting post!

Not quite sure how a divorce could ever be be a "love story"?
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i read a piece by Craig Lowndes (likely ghost-written, but...!) and he was recalling how Gardner told him he'd never be a champion or amount to anything.

Gardner won only one race in his V8 time, of course
A lot of short memories here. Lowndes went OS and for want of a better phrase couldn't hack it so in a sense he did not achieve to anywhere near his potential. Gardner went and became world champion.
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Focus appears to be on Motorcycle racing, if Wayne's words are to mean anything:
Given the fact his four-wheeled exploits likely will have little interest to the European audiences, and it was a bit-part at the end of an International career, that likely explains why there won't be much attention paid to it. This is a bike story, not a car one

Graeme Crosby is someone who downplays his car racing career too, it barely rates a mention in his autobiography despite him taking to it like a duck to water, made the Bathurst Top 10 at his first attempt amongst other things

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i read a piece by Craig Lowndes (likely ghost-written, but...!) and he was recalling how Gardner told him he'd never be a champion or amount to anything.

Gardner won only one race in his V8 time, of course
Gardner probably said that after Lowndes punted Gardner off in a straightline at the Bathurst ATCC round in 1996. Gardner and plenty of others (even HRT from memory) were very critical of Lowndes driving there, he obviously learned from it. (Johnson criticised Lowndes driving at Sandown a round earlier as well)

Lowndes obviously took the criticism on board and learnt from it

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Not quite sure how a divorce could ever be be a "love story"?
The divorce happened after the bike career was over, and they are still friendly (Donna wrote the forward for Wayne's book)

The travelled the world together as Gardner chased success, and they achieved it together. I'd call that a love story.
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Given the fact his four-wheeled exploits likely will have little interest to the European audiences, and it was a bit-part at the end of an International career, that likely explains why there won't be much attention paid to it. This is a bike story, not a car one

Graeme Crosby is someone who downplays his car racing career too, it barely rates a mention in his autobiography despite him taking to it like a duck to water, made the Bathurst Top 10 at his first attempt amongst other things



Gardner probably said that after Lowndes punted Gardner off in a straightline at the Bathurst ATCC round in 1996. Gardner and plenty of others (even HRT from memory) were very critical of Lowndes driving there, he obviously learned from it. (Johnson criticised Lowndes driving at Sandown a round earlier as well)

Lowndes obviously took the criticism on board and learnt from it



The divorce happened after the bike career was over, and they are still friendly (Donna wrote the forward for Wayne's book)

The travelled the world together as Gardner chased success, and they achieved it together. I'd call that a love story.

As a movie - it sounds like a turkey though?
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Given the fact his four-wheeled exploits likely will have little interest to the European audiences, and it was a bit-part at the end of an International career, that likely explains why there won't be much attention paid to it. This is a bike story, not a car one

Graeme Crosby is someone who downplays his car racing career too, it barely rates a mention in his autobiography despite him taking to it like a duck to water, made the Bathurst Top 10 at his first attempt amongst other things



Gardner probably said that after Lowndes punted Gardner off in a straightline at the Bathurst ATCC round in 1996. Gardner and plenty of others (even HRT from memory) were very critical of Lowndes driving there, he obviously learned from it. (Johnson criticised Lowndes driving at Sandown a round earlier as well)

Lowndes obviously took the criticism on board and learnt from it



The divorce happened after the bike career was over, and they are still friendly (Donna wrote the forward for Wayne's book)

The travelled the world together as Gardner chased success, and they achieved it together. I'd call that a love story.
Graham Cosby did some commentating at one stage and was damned good at it, way better than what passes for a commentator today. As for WG's car career, he raced here then raced for about six years in Japan and was highly popular there.
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Must be saving the V8 stuff for the sequel
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I went to the NZ premiere of this last night in Auckland. It was fantastic, lots and lots of behind the scenes footage, interviews with the people who were there up to their knees in it and actually knew what happened, the story was almost equally told between Wayne and Donna, with comments from Rainey, Swartz, Lawson, Mamora Moriwaki, Jeremy Burgess, all the people from his very early days in Europe, everyone. At the end was a Q&A with the man himself, and Graeme Crosby was there too, all MC'd by Mike Pero. Best few hours of your life you could ever hope to spend. Absolutely superb.

Edit - absolutely no mention of car racing, it was totally bike related, which was fine as the car racing is another story in itself.
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Im in.

Maybe not as talented as Mick Doohan, but surely a more interesting character.
I had dealings with an ex HRC personality (factory Japan Team) for a while a few years ago and his thoughts on Doohan were less than flattering, way way less and he was a man who knows Doohan and Gardner extremely well. I can't recall discussing WG too much but the description of his personality from people who know him sounds like a lot of other very competitive people I have met. They are nearly all self centred to some extent because in a way they have to be and their emotions before and after competing are on a roller coaster. I saw Peter Janson threaten a fellow competitor with all sorts of stuff one night during a rally which on reflection was more funny than anything else.
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