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Old 6 Dec 2017, 09:48 (Ref:3785392)   #51
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Exactly Alan, that's why it needs to be a strong penalty in race conditions.

Make it more of a free for all and the risks are greater.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 11:29 (Ref:3785404)   #52
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I wasnt suggesting there should be a fine in the race. just listing what happens in practise

10 seconds is a significant penalty, more sever than is gained by being by being a few kms over
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 21:56 (Ref:3785528)   #53
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And lol at calling anything "100% accurate"...
True.

Once you claim 100% accuracy you are well on the way to losing the argument.

Even military grade equipment is never claimed to be 100% accurate or reliable.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 22:18 (Ref:3785534)   #54
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To me , I would go with modern equipment, sensors, light beams, point to point, take out the finger on the radar gun, making pit entry a tadd longer to slow down, unlike govt roads, where you do 100k's , but as soon as you exit, jump on the brakes to 60 ks or less
I agree.... NASCAR style full pit lane loop system to keep an eye on the cars across the whole lane. Why just monitor the start of the lane, do the whole thing. Whilst they're at it, impose the use across the whole weekend, every car/category running is subject to the system.

Whilst we're at it, get rid of these Judges of Fact that change from event to event. Assign a set of officials for the whole year for the category. There's too much at stake, sponsors, prize money, gambling and so on, to be messing around with volunteers in positions like this. Yes they all do a great job and these events wouldn't happen without them, but there's some positions that need full timers in them.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 22:34 (Ref:3785537)   #55
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“The Dorian timing system is a foolproof, point to point system with an accuracy to 1/10,000 of a second,” the statement read.

Its basic maths, on the assumption it is set up right it has to be accurate. If it is not set up right then why didnt it catch the other teams. why did it catch two cars from one team

To me that is more likely a DJRTP error
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 23:46 (Ref:3785552)   #56
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It would seem more likely a DJR mistake, however, it was said that Scotty was over by a small amount. If the other teams were being more (overly) cautious and if the system wasn't setup right (possible, human error) maybe it makes sense.

That's a whole lot of ifs though
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 02:40 (Ref:3785569)   #57
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Whilst we're at it, get rid of these Judges of Fact that change from event to event. Assign a set of officials for the whole year for the category. There's too much at stake, sponsors, prize money, gambling and so on, to be messing around with volunteers in positions like this. Yes they all do a great job and these events wouldn't happen without them, but there's some positions that need full timers in them.
The Judges of Fact for Supercars are full timers, with maybe one exception for the Chief of Timing and the CoC at each round.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 08:38 (Ref:3785603)   #58
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10 seconds is a significant penalty, more sever than is gained by being by being a few kms over
Shouldn't the penalty always exceed what was gained, to discourage people from doing it?

It's not a penalty if you don't lose anything
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 10:30 (Ref:3785623)   #59
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Shouldn't the penalty always exceed what was gained, to discourage people from doing it?

It's not a penalty if you don't lose anything


Case in point, forgive me for the ball sport reference.

Kevin Sheedy once said that he would be more than happy for a player to commit a foul that resulted in a 15m penalty, because the advantage gained by potentially slowing the game down more than outweighed the miniscule penalty.
The AFL changed the penalty to 50m, and Sheedy changed his mind.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 13:16 (Ref:3785646)   #60
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There's nothing to stop the teams running their cars at 1kph under the limit and aiming to be down to that speed 10 yds before the line. No risk of a costly mistake then if it's that important for the championship. And if all teams do it, there's no loss of gain.

The problem is trying to run right to the absolute edge, and the further problem is trying to avoid the consequences of doing so and not being quite on the money.
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Old 7 Dec 2017, 15:45 (Ref:3785670)   #61
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In NSW, Fixed Speed Cameras also use timing loops. IIRC the one on Spit Hill was found to be faulty (loop wires were too close together).
How does that work when road cars don't carry transponders?
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 11:44 (Ref:3785803)   #62
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Who could blame them for doing so?

Soon they might find out the rules are simply made up as they go.
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 12:01 (Ref:3785812)   #63
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Soon they might find out the rules are simply made up as they go.
Doubt it - the rules and penalties around speeding in pit lane have been in place and well-known for many years.
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 15:10 (Ref:3785847)   #64
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 00:20 (Ref:3785950)   #65
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Hopefully nothing comes of this. The 2017 championship would have a huge asterisk next to it, not to mention the integrity of Supercars itself.


That has been in question for a number of years, as has the race administration. I agree the horse has bolted, as the protest period is long gone. But nothing wrong with proving the penalty was assigned erroneously, as it might prevent further poor snap decisions....like the penalising of drivers in the Phillip Island round who crossed a white line painted on the pit entry road, only after they had been spotted transgressing on the tv broadcast.
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 02:36 (Ref:3785960)   #66
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 04:50 (Ref:3785964)   #67
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How does that work when road cars don't carry transponders?
Capacitive sensors, same as they have at traffic lights to sense cars stopped for example in a turning lane to control turning arrows Etc.
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Capacitive sensors, same as they have at traffic lights to sense cars stopped for example in a turning lane to control turning arrows Etc.
And in Victoria we have laser sensors at some intersections....cross the line, your ass is there's....and I literally mean that....
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So any rumours, untruths or plain old gossip from the meeting?
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Capacitive sensors, same as they have at traffic lights to sense cars stopped for example in a turning lane to control turning arrows Etc.
The original question was how can a car be identified on a point to point speed camera without a transponder.
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The original question was how can a car be identified on a point to point speed camera without a transponder.
Number plate, combined with type of car, combined with time to travel the distance
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Point-to-point cameras in NSW are only used to monitor the speed of heavy vehicles.
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Number plate, combined with type of car, combined with time to travel the distance
Yes, correct.

Do any states still use the painted lines and the light plane method?

Maybe bring back Ivan's speed humps to control pitlane speeds.
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meeting postponed I am led to believe
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Point-to-point cameras in NSW are only used to monitor the speed of heavy vehicles.
For how long though....
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