Sauber C11

minimangler · 29 Apr 2009, 11:57 (Ref:2452159)

Don't know if this is better here or in historic today but...

Bigger http://www.xynamic.com/index.php?opt...2717&Itemid=27

Bigger http://www.xynamic.com/index.php?opt...2708&Itemid=27
(Photos from Gary Parravani)

That's what appears, to me, to be a Sauber C11 running at Donnington yesterday. Now, if I'm not mistaken, the car that ran last year was a C9? Making this actual news Where's this come from?

Reckon it might be this... http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/sold/sold_04.html

AndrewF31 · 29 Apr 2009, 12:02 (Ref:2452167)

Damn, those cars never cease to be beautiful.

GT6 · 29 Apr 2009, 13:31 (Ref:2452218)

Now why can't the modern range of LMP closed prototypes look that good.

KA · 29 Apr 2009, 13:41 (Ref:2452227)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

Don't know if this is better here or in historic today but...

Bigger http://www.xynamic.com/index.php?opt...2717&Itemid=27

Bigger http://www.xynamic.com/index.php?opt...2708&Itemid=27
(Photos from Gary Parravani)

That's what appears, to me, to be a Sauber C11 running at Donnington yesterday. Now, if I'm not mistaken, the car that ran last year was a C9? Making this actual news Where's this come from?

Reckon it might be this... http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/sold/sold_04.html

Definitely looks like a C11 to me- as you said, Rob Sherrard's car raced last year was a C9, so if this is the car recently sold by John Starkey, who's got it, and more important, are they going to race it?

minimangler · 29 Apr 2009, 14:32 (Ref:2452253)

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA

Definitely looks like a C11 to me- as you said, Rob Sherrard's car raced last year was a C9, so if this is the car recently sold by John Starkey, who's got it, and more important, are they going to race it?

I'd like to know. I don't think Gary even knew it was a C11...I think I might be the only one anal enough to have noticed.

Gingers4Justice · 29 Apr 2009, 17:09 (Ref:2452306)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT6

Now why can't the modern range of LMP closed prototypes look that good.

They will to us all in 20 years time. Its what you grow up with, I suppose.

isynge · 29 Apr 2009, 19:03 (Ref:2452376)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

They will to us all in 20 years time. Its what you grow up with, I suppose.

You've got a point - rose tinted spectacles do a lot for perception. I grew up with Group C and still look back and think they were fantastic years, but seeing them in the historic race last year I wasn't as utterly captivated by them as I thought I would be. Sure, nice cars, loads of drama to them, but I could see how time's passed on and that there are many really positive aspects to today's cars.

I take the point about them being driven less aggressively now, but even still, a shape's a shape.

The really encouraging thing about mini's spot at Donington is that we are seeing some of these cars creep out. Previously I'd have been willing to bet quite a whack that we would never see one of the works Mercs in private hands. Hugely hugely pleased to be proven wrong.

fieldodreams79 · 29 Apr 2009, 23:22 (Ref:2452491)

she is a beaut, clark....
but still has Schlesser's and Baldi's name on it so i would have to think it would be running historics, right? unless they haven't got around to removing the stickers, yet.

cdsvg · 30 Apr 2009, 06:16 (Ref:2452579)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT6

Now why can't the modern range of LMP closed prototypes look that good.

Even though I think the technical regs were better back then, I've always thought the group C cars look a little bland compared to modern prototypes...very much a subjective thing I guess.

GT6 · 30 Apr 2009, 07:32 (Ref:2452621)

I think everyone remembers cars from the past and perhaps overtime builds them up, but it is still great to see them being used rather than sitting in some dusty hall where they might just as well be a mock up, better to let them run wild (well almost wild) in there natural habitate.

Graz · 30 Apr 2009, 07:49 (Ref:2452631)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

I'd like to know. I don't think Gary even knew it was a C11...I think I might be the only one anal enough to have noticed.

Nah, the front of the C11 is far curvier and more graceful compared to the stubby fronted C9. I think plenty of anoraks out there would have spotted it!!

Graz · 30 Apr 2009, 07:51 (Ref:2452632)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdsavage

Even though I think the technical regs were better back then, I've always thought the group C cars look a little bland compared to modern prototypes...very much a subjective thing I guess.

Interesting point. I'd be more of the view, F1 included, that cars are over-aero'd these days and though works of art, not pretty in the way 1980's Gp C cars and late 80's and early 90's F1 cars were withb their cleaner lines and less wings. As you say, very subjective.

jimmie · 30 Apr 2009, 08:12 (Ref:2452644)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

I'd like to know. I don't think Gary even knew it was a C11...I think I might be the only one anal enough to have noticed.

gary would like point out he was well aware what he was shooting

minimangler · 30 Apr 2009, 09:21 (Ref:2452713)

My apologies to mr. Parravani, who knew what he was shooting. Also, would any chassis number/historic purchase boffs like to let us know who's it is/where it's running etc?

Trussers · 30 Apr 2009, 11:06 (Ref:2452785)

There was / is a C11 on display in Mercedes World at Brooklands, I think with Schlesser / Baldi's names on it. It may well be (he said, speculatively), that Mercedes has just taken the car out for a run. Anyone live near Brooklands that could pop into Mercedes world and check if the C11 is still there?

Tim the Grey · 30 Apr 2009, 12:01 (Ref:2452829)

It may have been sold to the USofA, and had a trundle at Donners to check it all worked before being crated up...

In which case Garry has a rare image of a rare motorcar!

JAG · 4 May 2010, 23:28 (Ref:2684554)

Is this another C11 that could end up in historic Group C/GTP?

http://www.philstott.co.uk/mercedesc11.html

Yakuncha · 5 May 2010, 00:00 (Ref:2684558)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Is this another C11 that could end up in historic Group C/GTP?

http://www.philstott.co.uk/mercedesc11.html

An article in a recent issue of MotorSport magazine said yes! Bob Berridge had bought 1

ptclaus98 · 5 May 2010, 00:19 (Ref:2684561)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT6

Now why can't the modern range of LMP closed prototypes look that good.

I just wish the Daytona Protos could look this good.

MulsanneMike · 5 May 2010, 01:16 (Ref:2684571)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Is this another C11 that could end up in historic Group C/GTP?

http://www.philstott.co.uk/mercedesc11.html

No race history, development test mule. Surprised the downturn in the economy has shaken more cars out like this.

GT6 · 5 May 2010, 07:46 (Ref:2684656)

These are the sort of cars that made Group C the greatest period for sportscar racing, lets hope if finds a buyer prepared to put it to the test against the Porsches, Jags and other cars of its era.

Birddog07 · 5 May 2010, 10:52 (Ref:2684721)

Such an amazing looking car.

JAG · 5 May 2010, 16:13 (Ref:2684874)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

No race history, development test mule. Surprised the downturn in the economy has shaken more cars out like this.

Is this from Mercedes/Sauber?

I've been suprised to see a few of the later Nissan Group C cars in private hands, yet there are no Toyotas.

lemansfan · 5 May 2010, 18:54 (Ref:2684957)

2 Mercedes C 11 and Rob Sherrard with his Sauber C 9 on the Entry List for the RMU classic in Spa .

http://www.groupcracing.com/pages/43

Thundersports · 5 May 2010, 22:29 (Ref:2685067)

Great to see David Mercer out again in his Spice SE90 I assume he couldn't sell it.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Mercedes Benz C11 vs Nissan GTP ZXT	jaybond	Motorsport History	8	20 Jul 2007 11:42
Can Sauber do it?	D-bass	Formula One	46	14 Jun 2004 10:34
So what was up with Sauber?	alesi95	Formula One	30	8 Mar 2004 12:52
Sauber C9 and C11	vitamin	Sportscar & GT Racing	3	23 Nov 2003 19:59
The new Sauber	Jay	Formula One	17	27 Jan 2001 03:21