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Old 13 Nov 2018, 10:07 (Ref:3863000)   #26
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I saw some of the photos - doesn't look too different really does it? What's important though is what it sounds like - that was a big part of the appeal of DTM - the sheer brutal sound of the V8's was incredible. I hope the turbo engines aren't too quiet.
The sound of the new BMW turbo engine for the 2019 DTM season
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 10:44 (Ref:3863001)   #27
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It looks like DRS is scrapped for 2019. This can be judged by the look of rear wings however Rene Rast asked about it on the Instagram, wrote that it's not decided yet 'I think.' Personally, I would be so happy if DRS was scrapped.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 11:14 (Ref:3863006)   #28
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It looks like DRS is scrapped for 2019. This can be judged by the look of rear wings however Rene Rast asked about it on the Instagram, wrote that it's not decided yet 'I think.' Personally, I would be so happy if DRS was scrapped.
If DRS was implemented more like IndyCar's push-to-pass, where there's limited usage and it can be used offensively or defensively at will without having to be within a second of another car, I could live with it.

Gimmicks are not bad if implemented correctly, and systems like this should be looked at as tactical options rather than as something to guarantee more overtaking.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 11:16 (Ref:3863008)   #29
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One of the better sounding turbo-4's I've ever heard. Especially within the last couple decades.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 13:29 (Ref:3863031)   #30
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I saw some of the photos - doesn't look too different really does it? What's important though is what it sounds like - that was a big part of the appeal of DTM - the sheer brutal sound of the V8's was incredible. I hope the turbo engines aren't too quiet.
I agree, on downshift up at druids at brands its like artillery going off.

I must have missed something though I remember rumours of 2.0 turbo engines and a merge with japan super GTs but didn't realise they were coming in next year.

I hope formula milk float continues to generate virtually no interest and Mercedes return to DTM in the future.
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 13:46 (Ref:3863035)   #31
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probably old news and audi have probably put something online elsewhere as well, but nico muller posted a bit of trackside audi noise on insta: https://www.instagram.com/p/BqF8fR_HkrL/
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 17:23 (Ref:3863082)   #32
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I saw some of the photos - doesn't look too different really does it? What's important though is what it sounds like - that was a big part of the appeal of DTM - the sheer brutal sound of the V8's was incredible. I hope the turbo engines aren't too quiet.
New air tunnels in the bonnet to cope with intercooler (I suspect) and real airbox instead of false one in the BMW "noses" - for sure. As for the sound - I was lucky to attend DTM and GT3 races some years ago and the latter sounded louder to me. Straight 4T, naturally, should have another "character" but not that bad. GT500 fans are happy I think.
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Old 6 Dec 2018, 00:22 (Ref:3868174)   #33
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Hoping to attend the Zolder Round, will Aston Martin be in by then?
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Old 11 Dec 2018, 20:42 (Ref:3869528)   #34
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Hoping to attend the Zolder Round, will Aston Martin be in by then?
My guess is that it will be too early, but who knows... For sure they should be racing at Brands, a 'UK car' with a UK driver, should be good for public
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Old 12 Dec 2018, 15:23 (Ref:3869689)   #35
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I was lucky to attend DTM and GT3 races some years ago and the latter sounded louder to me.
From my experience DTM is much louder than GT3 - the only GT3 that came close is probably the Z4. To be fair though some of the GT3 cars do sound superb (Aston, Bentley, Lexus).

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My guess is that it will be too early, but who knows... For sure they should be racing at Brands, a 'UK car' with a UK driver, should be good for public
I hope the Astons are there for Brands Hatch - the grids will be a bit thin without them.

Interesting that Mercedes were at the DTM test - what was the point of that? What do they stand to gain from doing it?
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Old 12 Dec 2018, 16:18 (Ref:3869704)   #36
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Interesting that Mercedes were at the DTM test - what was the point of that? What do they stand to gain from doing it?
They are testing because this is part of their deal with ITR, DTM's promoter. That's why they are running, they just need to complete their commitments. But maybe they are testing some Aston drivers too
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Old 13 Dec 2018, 09:23 (Ref:3869843)   #37
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They are testing because this is part of their deal with ITR, DTM's promoter. That's why they are running, they just need to complete their commitments.
Ah - that would make sense - I guess they have commitments until the end of the year.

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That's a possibility - who was in the cars?
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Old 13 Dec 2018, 10:01 (Ref:3869854)   #38
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Jake Dennis, Jake Hughes, Thomas Preining and Ferdinand Habsburg were in the cars. I don't know if any of them may head to Aston and DTM in general but I'd say never say never
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Old 13 Dec 2018, 10:13 (Ref:3869859)   #39
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Jake Dennis, Jake Hughes, Thomas Preining and Ferdinand Habsburg were in the cars. I don't know if any of them may head to Aston and DTM in general but I'd say never say never
Jake Dennis for sure should be one of the drivers As he is racing an Aston Martin for the last season and the Sim-driver from RedBullRacing Aston Martin.

Preining is an odd one there, but one of a sudden he is no Porsche factory/junior driver anymore? It's a bit weird after winning the Porsche Carrera Cup Deutschland and just losing out on the Supercup title... Might have got a better offer somewhere else?
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Old 13 Dec 2018, 11:58 (Ref:3869893)   #40
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Jake Dennis for sure should be one of the drivers As he is racing an Aston Martin for the last season and the Sim-driver from RedBullRacing Aston Martin.
So we may have the first Aston driver in DTM
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if it will be for real a 6 cars effeort
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if it will be for real a 6 cars effeort
2 cars first, later 4
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I can think of Maxime Martin and Nicki Thiim getting seats with Aston
They are very probable options. It depends on Aston Martin's involvement in the series. If they consider putting their factory drivers in, then Maxime Martin and Nicki Thiim are very likely.

I also wonder what Paul di Resta's plans are. Most of former Mercedes DTM drivers have something announced already whereas I haven't heard anything about Paul so far.
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Rockenfeller thinks the new cars will be 2-3 seconds a lap quicker than the old ones Impressive stuff if true!
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Rockenfeller thinks the new cars will be 2-3 seconds a lap quicker than the old ones Impressive stuff if true!
He also says that V8 had only 500 hp but we all know they were "boosted" by a wider restrictor a season or two ago. So, this advertising stuff is not a reliable source for information.

PS At Goodwood FoS DTM cars were not impressive at all in terms of results. Even a NASCAR Truck was faster IIRC.

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He also says that V8 had only 500 hp but we all know they were "boosted" by a wider restrictor a season or two ago. So, this advertising stuff is not a reliable source for information.
I guess that's true - they'll always talk up the new stuff. We'll see for sure how the cars compare once we get the season underway!

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Times at FOS aren't really meaningful, unless the cars are in the 'shootout' then it's hard to know how hard the cars are being pushed. Some stop and do burnouts or doughnuts for example. I don't think I've ever seen a DTM car 'on it' at FOS - they've just done demo runs rather than go for times.
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Times at FOS aren't really meaningful, unless the cars are in the 'shootout' then it's hard to know how hard the cars are being pushed. Some stop and do burnouts or doughnuts for example. I don't think I've ever seen a DTM car 'on it' at FOS - they've just done demo runs rather than go for times.
Mark Skinner (Toyota Tundra) in 2018 shootout did 48.25. Ricky Collard (of course, it was a first outing at the wheel of BMW M4 DTM, wasn't it?) did 50.82. Frank Biela (A4 DTM) was even slower than Andrew Jordan (BMW 125) - clearly was too careful not to scratch the racing car. Maybe that's why they haven't left any recollections. For sure, it's only a show, but still has a bit of info in it.
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So, they are still planning "united" race in Japan in November. Looks like it's going to be Fuji, but they still in debate. As for a European round, DTM bosses are not going to held more than 9 calendar events, so they need to host an "international" round at Hockenheim in October. And I'm sure GT500 teams are not able to arrive. So, just another joke from the DTM klein circus.
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