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Old 24 Sep 2011, 10:35 (Ref:2960341)   #136
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Very early in this thread the Spa 1982 and '83 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC was brought up by chunterer. Claude Bourgoignie seems to have been the mover behind that project, but it had a twin:
http://cvc.com.sapo.pt/images/1982/1...rentes%202.jpg
http://circuitoviladoconde.com.sapo.pt/1982.htm
Look for the Grupo A2 results and the driver Sande e Castro. There's no use to look ahead for future results, because by 1983 he was racing a Jaguar XJ-S!

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A few shots of the Belgian 450SLC at Spa in 1983:
http://www.empire-auto.com/Duez/1983...pa_galerie.htm
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Old 27 Sep 2011, 19:53 (Ref:2961812)   #137
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A few shots of the Belgian 450SLC at Spa in 1983:
http://www.empire-auto.com/Duez/1983...pa_galerie.htm
Not a bad looking car when you think about it? Very purposeful and sleek.

shame we didn't get to see a proper factory blessed big Merc up against the Jags and Bimmers in the big class.
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Old 27 Mar 2012, 17:02 (Ref:3049520)   #138
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The early seasons of Group A brought out some real oddities, mostly hangovers from Group 1 I suspect?

I don't think I've seen too many pics of this one before- the Talbot Horizon of Stoffel & Thierfelder at the 1982 TT...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/karting...57628057466012

Anyone know more about it?
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Old 27 Mar 2012, 18:48 (Ref:3049587)   #139
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The early seasons of Group A brought out some real oddities, mostly hangovers from Group 1 I suspect?

I don't think I've seen too many pics of this one before- the Talbot Horizon of Stoffel & Thierfelder at the 1982 TT...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/karting...57628057466012

Anyone know more about it?
Ha ha as soon as I saw this pic when I followed the link to the set in the Metro thread. I knew immediately that it would be the latest addition to this thread!

Looks like it's in American Chrysler front profile spec to me?
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Yes, see what you mean about the front bodywork.

It seems to have been run by Frensch Power from Germany- they're the guys who entered the little red 205GTi that ran around at the tail end of ETC grids in 1985/6 (with the same Haribo sponsorship)

http://www.frensch-power.com/media/7...03694cc215.jpg
http://www.frensch-power.com/media/7...03694ceaff.jpg

They seem to be longtime Chrysler/Peugeot dealers/specialists, and raced things like Simca Rallyes- they had one of those at the same TT as the Horizon....
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...lverstone.html

They're still in business, and there's another pic of what looks like the same Horizon on their website, in what I guess might be some kind of Group 2-ish spec (no bumpers and a front spoiler at least!)
http://www.frensch-power.com/media/7...03694c4159.jpg

http://www.frensch-power.com/Galerie-80er.39838.html
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Maybe we want to sidebar this into the 'most inappropriate model made into a Group A car' ?
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What about the awfull Maserati BiTurbo driven by Nick May in the BTCC

A fantastic article giving the full history of the Biturbo in the 1987 WTCC as well as the national championships that it competed in afterwards:

Boxy Breakdown - 1987 Maserati Biturbo
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A fantastic article giving the full history of the Biturbo in the 1987 WTCC as well as the national championships that it competed in afterwards:

Boxy Breakdown - 1987 Maserati Biturbo
Great article - super interesting read.

Maserati eventually got its act together with the Biturbo derived Ghibli Cup, which became a formidable weapon in the Italian GT championship in the mid to late 1990s. Numerous wins and podiums, and beating 355s and 911s on a regular basis.
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A question comes to mind- with the ETC already cancelled the previous year, and RS500s etc having already proven, as you suggest, that big-engined normally-aspirated cars were very much yesterday's news in Group A touring car racing, I can't shake off the thought that building and developing the SEC for just two races seems like a lot of effort for not very much return. [/URL]
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The 500 SEC was developed in 1988 for the DTM, but the problem was the weight of 1340kg and 460bhp was too much for the tyres allowed in the DTM.

Running harder compound tyres at a reduced pace at Spa, M-B and AMG believed that the cars would be able to last the 24 hours.

What made the 500 SEC truly unique as a Group A car was that it retained the wood inlay dashboard and electrically operated windows of the road-going model.
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The 500 SEC was developed in 1988 for the DTM, but the problem was the weight of 1340kg and 460bhp was too much for the tyres allowed in the DTM.

Running harder compound tyres at a reduced pace at Spa, M-B and AMG believed that the cars would be able to last the 24 hours.

What made the 500 SEC truly unique as a Group A car was that it retained the wood inlay dashboard and electrically operated windows of the road-going model.
It may not have had a wood inlay dashboard but Karl Jones' Duckhams RS500 that raced in the BTCC also retained its electric windows!
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