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Old 31 Oct 2005, 10:37 (Ref:1448273)   #1
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Group 5 BMW 320's.

Can anyone help with information no matter how small or seemingly unimportant about the wonderful BMW 320 E21's which raced in the Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft(DRM) from 1977 to 1982. These cars were the M3's of its day and many were produced by a variety of teams, had numerous drivers and ever changing colour schemes which make them very difficult to follow. I am helping to try to identify the providence of a number of well used and travelled cars and any help would be more than welcome. Thanks in advance.
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Old 31 Oct 2005, 13:33 (Ref:1448422)   #2
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group 5 bmw 320's.

Oops!! You can tell I am new at this game! I put my name when posting the thread where it said title, instead of the title of the new thread!! I will get the hang of the technology in the end! Please look under Ian Beckett21 for the intended request!
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Old 31 Oct 2005, 13:52 (Ref:1448441)   #3
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Ian, threads merged; hope that's O.K, and welcome back to 10-Tenths!

Look forward to seeing the responses here; have a bit of a soft spot for these cars myself!
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Old 31 Oct 2005, 16:24 (Ref:1448530)   #4
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There was an artist/industrial designer that created the actual shape of one, it was more 'organic' then the factory cars. Anybody know the name of the artist? I remember seeing a book of his designs years ago, and sure enough the car was in there.


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Old 31 Oct 2005, 17:01 (Ref:1448568)   #5
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Posts here sometimes, so try a search.
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Old 1 Nov 2005, 08:36 (Ref:1449164)   #6
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Hi Ian.. One of these cars briefly passed through my hands a few years ago.. Never really got round tro serious research but I did aquire a number of books, period plastic "kits", photos, resin kits, posters, period magazines etc... If you're in the process of building a collection then let me know if you're interested in this sort of thing.. My collection also includes much the same for the Werks CSL Batmobiles..
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Old 1 Nov 2005, 09:04 (Ref:1449196)   #7
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Dear Jeff, I would be extremely interested in anything to do with racing BMW's. Can you let me know some more details? I am trying to unravel the histories of the 320 as I said in the original thread but I also collect scale models,photographs and race reports from that era. I look forward to hearing from you.Cheers Ian.
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Old 1 Nov 2005, 17:55 (Ref:1449662)   #8
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Hi ian!.. I hope you don't regret asking that question!.. I have a pretty big collection !!.. Most of its in storage at the moment, but give me a couple of days / the weekend to dig out some stuff.. I'll take some pics and email them to you.. Rather than bore the forum (?) you might be best to email by PM .. BTW, where are you based? jeff

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Old 1 Nov 2005, 22:48 (Ref:1449957)   #9
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[QUOTE=Jeff Barley]Rather than bore the forum (?) /QUOTE]


Wouldn't be a bore, these cars were interesting and I would also like to know more. We saw a few here in the States, but I know little about their European history.

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Old 2 Nov 2005, 08:04 (Ref:1450164)   #10
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Hi Robert!.. I do have info in my collection covering the US exposure of these cars.. ie Citibank etc etc, plus race programme from the US.. I'll let Ian have first refusal on what might be of interest to him and then let you know in case anything else might be of interest to.. No doubt Ian and you will debating the history of these magnificent cars, but I'll have to bail out of detailed "chats" because of our new arrival !..
Plus I guess we have all suffered from "misinformation" in the past and how critical it is to avoid passing on info that is actually only part factual or is believed to be "the truth".. What I'm trying to say is that I don't want to start reciting "facts" from memory and run the risk of misleading anyone simply because I don't have the time to re-check my facts before I "post them".. However..That said I owned one of the Gp 5 European cars..plus what might have been an ex-Werks CSL.. Plus a werks E30 M3 (One of the Linder Team cars from 1990 DTM)..plus an E36 Supertourer (Swisss series)..plus a ex Gp2 320.. All of which have now been sold, so you can imagine I gathered quite a lot of info on what was a broad collection of BMW's.. Afraid a divorce put paid to that little lot, but boy was it fun!!!
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Old 2 Nov 2005, 13:44 (Ref:1450465)   #11
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Just a quickie,

A club racer called Brian Chatfield successfully ran an ex Peterson 320i in uk special saloons for a number of years in the 1980's. I've got a picture of it hanging off the back of a trailor at Donington in '85 sbut unfortunately haven't got a printer/scanner so i can't post it on here for you!

I don't have any contact details for Brian, but the moderators might have a clue? I would imagine he would be a good source of info on these cars, or try the BARC at Thruxton circuit, he might be a member?
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Old 2 Nov 2005, 17:49 (Ref:1450699)   #12
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Dear Chunterer, thanks for the reply. I think I was at that meeting. Brian Chatfield also ran an ex-Zakspeed M3 in club events and I have a snippet of information in my files that he may also have had an ex_Stuck /Schnitzer 320 at some point in time. Does anyone have a contact for Brian? Anybody know anything about this or the whereabouts of any 320 group 5 cars in the UK? I am a little surprised at how few responses I have had so far. Is there really so little interest out there? Thanks Ian.
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Old 2 Nov 2005, 18:02 (Ref:1450712)   #13
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Dear All, in my haste/keyboard incompetence, I said that Brian Chatfield's M3 was ex-Zakspeed. It was actually ex-Alpina, one of the vivid green cars raced in the DTM in 1987. It is important to correct errors on these forums because comments can soon become fact! Bye..Ian.
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Old 2 Nov 2005, 18:54 (Ref:1450769)   #14
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Ian, I don't think it is a lack of intrest. As I work in Germany, it seems even the Germans don't know where all those 320s are.
Most of the "big ones" are probably tucked away in some garages over here.
Two or three group 5's occasionally appear at smaller races, but who the original drivers were I don't know. (repainted)
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Old 3 Nov 2005, 18:08 (Ref:1451496)   #15
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You're right Eddy V; it's definitely not lack of interest; just lack of knowledge. Also, of course, some of the historic threads tend to have a slower response rate than say (for obvious reasons) the F1 threads.

Ian, don't lose heart; we may still tease some more info. out on this; it might just be slow burner. In the meantime, if you can post any new information on here as it comes to light, it may trigger other memories and responses.
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