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Old 14 Oct 2006, 09:25 (Ref:1737586)   #1
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AF Corse in 2007

What will make AF Corse the next year ? Ferrari F430 GT? In did LMS or FIA GT of it? At the 24 Hours of Mans? Thank you.
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Old 14 Oct 2006, 18:34 (Ref:1737861)   #2
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What will make AF Corse the next year ? Ferrari F430 GT? In did LMS or FIA GT of it? At the 24 Hours of Mans? Thank you.
I think we are having a little problem understaning your question. Could you please rephase your question??

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Old 14 Oct 2006, 19:33 (Ref:1737885)   #3
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I think Schumi19 is asking where AF Corse will be racing in 2007, whether in the LMS or FIA GT? And will the team race at Le Mans? Although I could be wrong.
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Old 14 Oct 2006, 19:40 (Ref:1737891)   #4
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Ok the Maseratti AF Corse
http://www.maseraticorse.com/home.ph...0010&idsitm=CN

Has any team stepped up to race Masseratti out side of Italia ??
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Old 15 Oct 2006, 17:32 (Ref:1738520)   #5
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I think Schumi19 is asking where AF Corse will be racing in 2007, whether in the LMS or FIA GT? And will the team race at Le Mans? Although I could be wrong.
Yes, it is exact.
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Old 15 Oct 2006, 18:27 (Ref:1738554)   #6
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Well in that case I dont know, all any of us here can do is speculate. Well, most of us anyway. Personally though I would think that the most likely result would be to seeing AF Corse in the FIA GT Championship again next year and perhaps with a car or 2 at Le Mans. Going into the LMS would be a backward step, if you look at the quality of GT1 and GT2 teams in the LMS compared to the quality in FIA GT I think you will find that the FIA GT Championship is of a higher calibre.
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Old 16 Oct 2006, 07:27 (Ref:1738884)   #7
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if you look at the quality of GT1 and GT2 teams in the LMS compared to the quality in FIA GT I think you will find that the FIA GT Championship is of a higher calibre.
odd then that an LMS team won GT2 at Le Mans last year with another one second
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Old 16 Oct 2006, 08:07 (Ref:1738902)   #8
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Odd also Mr Goodwin that a FIA GT that a team that dominated the LMS next year left the series to join FIA GT for 2006, dont you think? Sure Scuderia Ecosse didnt win Le Mans, but winning 1 race means relatively little. Now, winning a Championship on the other hand is a differnt matter entirely.

Also, you know as well as I that the ACO are more than a little biased when it comes to their selections for the Le Mans 24hrs. I can think of numerous years when the cream of the FIA GT cars missed out on a lot a slot, but some of the slower cars from the series managed to get entries but of course werent 100% competitve.

Are you really trying to say Mr Goodwin that Team LNT are competitve against the likes of Scuderia Ecosse and AF Corse? Just look at the results from this years British GT Championship, Scuderia Ecosse are about to wrap up the title with a line up that is 1 pro driver and 1 pay driver. If they put Kinch/Kirkaldy in the car the series would have been won already.
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Old 16 Oct 2006, 08:10 (Ref:1738906)   #9
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odd then that an LMS team won GT2 at Le Mans last year with another one second
Dont you mean this year? Last year the GT2 class at Le Mans was won by AJR/BAM.
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Odd also Mr Goodwin that a FIA GT that a team that dominated the LMS next year left the series to join FIA GT for 2006, dont you think? Sure Scuderia Ecosse didnt win Le Mans, but winning 1 race means relatively little. Now, winning a Championship on the other hand is a differnt matter entirely.
Winning Le Mans is far more important than winning the FIA GT championship, in the minds of many, including manufacturers.

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Also, you know as well as I that the ACO are more than a little biased when it comes to their selections for the Le Mans 24hrs. I can think of numerous years when the cream of the FIA GT cars missed out on a lot a slot, but some of the slower cars from the series managed to get entries but of course werent 100% competitve.
To be frank, I don't think that a team that doesn't compete in the LMS (ALMS or JLMS) even deserves an entry period. As consideration, those teams that do show support to the ACO series, do deserve priority to those in other series.
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Old 16 Oct 2006, 14:21 (Ref:1739324)   #11
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Winning Le Mans is far more important than winning the FIA GT championship, in the minds of many, including manufacturers.
Maybe in the US this is the case, but here in Europe in the FIA GT Championship you not only have the works Aston Martin's in the shape of BMS but you also have the factory Maserati squad as well, as well as works Supported Ferrari's and Porsches in GT2.

Winning Le Mans is a great achievement, but winning a Championship is another matter entirely. Le Mans is just 1 race, a Championship is all about consistancy and durability. Plus the FIA GT Championship also has the Spa 24 hours as part of the series and as far as GT teams are concerned the entries at the Spa 24hrs are every bit as good as the entries GT1 and GT2 get at Le Mans. Sure they dont have the factory Corvettes, but they do have the factory Maserati team, something which Le Mans does not. For now at least.
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Old 16 Oct 2006, 14:59 (Ref:1739363)   #12
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odd then that an LMS team won GT2 at Le Mans last year with another one second
Nothing odd about the LNT win, slower car than the others but total reliability which is what you need for a Le Mans win. The win the previous year was far more significant as this was a fast competitive car that also won in the ALMS and would have won in FIA GT. The important thing is keeping out of trouble, keeping clear of the gravel at the side of the raod as it gives you punctures and having drivers that watch the mirrors as well as the road ahead. LMS is perfect training with 4 classes and even in 6 hour races pace alone is not enough look at the GT2 winner in 2005 and 6.

Overall, as I have said before, we need more cooperation between the organisers and forget all the stuff about 2 hour sprints, that is not real sportscar racing. Cooperation, promotion and spectator information will build GT racing crowds and that will improve the entries and sponsors. ALMS gets it right more of the time, pity they only have 4 cars in GT1 now.
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Maybe in the US this is the case, but here in Europe in the FIA GT Championship you not only have the works Aston Martin's in the shape of BMS but you also have the factory Maserati squad as well, as well as works Supported Ferrari's and Porsches in GT2.

Winning Le Mans is a great achievement, but winning a Championship is another matter entirely. Le Mans is just 1 race, a Championship is all about consistancy and durability. Plus the FIA GT Championship also has the Spa 24 hours as part of the series and as far as GT teams are concerned the entries at the Spa 24hrs are every bit as good as the entries GT1 and GT2 get at Le Mans. Sure they dont have the factory Corvettes, but they do have the factory Maserati team, something which Le Mans does not. For now at least.
It is nice to have an opinion, but at least state it as such. Of course ACO racing doesn't have a factory Maserati team, they aren't eligible. Bringing that up in this argument is laughable at best.

I'm not sure what the significance of works supported entries are in this discussion. FIA GT has them, LMS has them, ALMS has them, LM24 has them.

So the FIA will have what, Maserati, Ferrari, Porsche and Aston supported teams.

LM will have Corvette, Porsche, Aston, Peugeot, Audi, Panoz (Ferrari?)for certain, and Acura looking to join in... who else? Most of these are pure factory entries, not just "supported" like the FIA.

FIA GT is a good series, but if you think any one series anywhere matches the significance of LM, I believe you are mistaken.
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So the FIA will have what, Maserati, Ferrari, Porsche and Aston supported teams.

LM will have Corvette, Porsche, Aston, Peugeot, Audi, Panoz (Ferrari?)for certain, and Acura looking to join in... who else?
Most of these are pure factory entries, not just "supported" like the FIA.
But "supported" is all that is allowed in FIA GT, "works" teams are banned.
Plus the LM manufacturers listed include manufacturer prototypes which also have no relevance to FIA GT. Gotta compare like with like.
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Fogelhund, the Vitaphone Maserati team are the works team for Maserati. Works is another word for "factory" as I am sure you are aware. The Championship also has Works Aston Martin's in the shape of the BMS team. That is fact, not opinion.

With regards to what the FIA will have in terms of manufacturers, I am not comparing the series to the ALMS or the LMS or JLMC as a whole. I am just saying that the quality of GT1 and GT2 entrants is higher than what you will find in the LMS and JLMC and maybe the ALMS too. Sure the ALMS has the works Corvettes and the works Aston Martin's, but anyone remember who beat the works Aston Martin squad at the Spa 24hrs in 2005? And im not talking about a works BMS effort but the proper Prodrive factory team. Oh thats right, it was the MC12's, 1 from Vitaphone and 1 from JMB.

Get the factory Corvette squad over here and the Prodrive Aston Martin team for the Spa 24 hours and they would have a very tough time against the FIA GT Championship regulars, once again the Vitaphone and JMB MC12's showed the Prodrive Aston Martin team that. Its just a shame the MC12's are illegall in their current form to race in ACO sanctioned races. Once again, all I am saying that IMO the quality of GT1 and GT2 entrants found in the FIA GT Championship is the best in the world.

Of course the ALMS and LMS will have more manufacturers, its got double the ammount of spaces for the races! FIA GT is restricted to 36 cars per event plus 2 invitational cars from the country of event, excluding the Spa 24hrs of course where the entry limit is 65. And finally Fogelhund, I personally do beleive that winning the FIA GT Championship is a bigger achievement than a class win at Le Mans 24hrs alone, which is realistically is all that is achievable at Le Mans for a GT1 or GT2 car. Obviously winning the event outright is a bigger achievement than winning a Championship, but for GT class cars it isnt really realistic.
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