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Old 15 Jan 2022, 17:30 (Ref:4093876)   #31
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I seem to remember reading that the problem with Super Touring cars was that they were too difficult and expensive for a privateer to run. Over twenty years on from their heyday, spares, especially electronics, must be very difficult to source.
Yes,I have heard that too, particularly the later ones; they do seem to manage them very well in NZ though, where there are loads, and yet they didn’t run them back in the day. Indeed, NZ developed “Schedule S”, later adopted as “Super Production” or Group N Plus by the FIA as their national TC series because they recognised that they could not afford STs, apparently.
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Old 15 Jan 2022, 18:36 (Ref:4093881)   #32
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I seem to remember reading that the problem with Super Touring cars was that they were too difficult and expensive for a privateer to run. Over twenty years on from their heyday, spares, especially electronics, must be very difficult to source.
I similarly recall reading/hearing that some require 1990s laptop/operating system/software to operate.
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Old 15 Jan 2022, 19:26 (Ref:4093887)   #33
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I dont understand the "Appearance" part of the VSCC Edwardians. The VSCC have been running races for Edwardian only cars for getting on for 20 years. There are occasionally Edwardian cars running in races for later cars and there is usually good support for the Edwardian classes at VSCC Hillclimbs.
Whilst ive attended VSCC events for over 20 years (albeit not hillclimbs) i only recall seeing Edwardian cars in the last 5 or 6 years. Maybe in earlier years i attended events where there wasnt an Edwardian race on the schedule or maybe my memory is worse than i thought !
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Old 15 Jan 2022, 19:30 (Ref:4093888)   #34
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I similarly recall reading/hearing that some require 1990s laptop/operating system/software to operate.
Same here. I seem to remember that DTM cars had more electronic allowance than F1's of the same era. Not only hard to maintain but they probably require a lot of skill to be kept on the road…
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Old 15 Jan 2022, 21:27 (Ref:4093904)   #35
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Maybe in earlier years i attended events where there wasnt an Edwardian race on the schedule or maybe my memory is worse than i thought !
My recollection is that the first VSCC race solely for Edwardian cars was held at Mallory in 1991.
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Old 16 Jan 2022, 09:13 (Ref:4093963)   #36
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My recollection is that the first VSCC race solely for Edwardian cars was held at Mallory in 1991.
I do not think so, there was an Edwardian race prior to this at Oulton Park just 1 year earlier.
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Old 16 Jan 2022, 10:54 (Ref:4093976)   #37
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I do have some poor quality but interesting pictures from a 5 lap Edwardian Handicap at Silverstone from September 1952.
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Get a grip, chaps, they were running races for Edwardian cars as long ago as the early1900's.!
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Old 17 Jan 2022, 09:52 (Ref:4094112)   #40
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It's all a moving target really . . . .

First old (60's) tin tops I saw was early 90's, ICS @ Sillystone supporting BTCC, cars were only 25 years old . . . . you still saw them regularly on the road. those cars are now nearly 60, and you don't see them on the road often, if ever. Add to that most of what races under the same moniker now is newer than my every day road hack!

For me 2000-2010 was good, competitive, sporting and almost exclusively real cars mostly run by bonafide enthusiasts. It's their disappearance that has marked the most noticeable change.

There are always exceptions. Now may well be a golden period, but for completely different reasons.

It's all changed like football . . . very corporate.
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Cost and weight are probably big factors. If that’s the case then there are not going to be many current production cars that are racing now that are going to available to race in a, say, “2015-2022” historic championship in the future!
I think this is a really interesting point. What cars on the road now will be classic racers in a decade? I’m not sure suitable cars are even being built. The luxury /premium / sporty models in most ranges are SUVs, not sports racers. Hot hatches (the most accessible performance cars) are turned into rally cars, not track racers. True sports GTs are very very expensive and out of the reach of most people.

Cars are also so much more complicated and harder to tune and modify, given complex computer-controlled engines and hybrids. There is a vibrant mod/tuner culture (see the Modified Live events or indeed your local car park on a Saturday evening!) but it’s still dominated by older Japanese and German cars 10-20 years old or more.

The world turns and things change. I’d say that this is a golden age of historic racing, enjoy it now before the coming dark age!
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I think this is a really interesting point. What cars on the road now will be classic racers in a decade? I’m not sure suitable cars are even being built. The luxury /premium / sporty models in most ranges are SUVs, not sports racers. Hot hatches (the most accessible performance cars) are turned into rally cars, not track racers. True sports GTs are very very expensive and out of the reach of most people.

Cars are also so much more complicated and harder to tune and modify, given complex computer-controlled engines and hybrids. There is a vibrant mod/tuner culture (see the Modified Live events or indeed your local car park on a Saturday evening!) but it’s still dominated by older Japanese and German cars 10-20 years old or more.

The world turns and things change. I’d say that this is a golden age of historic racing, enjoy it now before the coming dark age!
I can get my Alfa Giulia upped from 200-280 BHP for peanuts, a chip that plugs in will disable the ABS and traction control, about £300 . . . a weekend with the spanners should shed 2-300 kg of lard.

before homologation specials circa 1964/65 none of the saloons were 'competitive' It never stopped anyone tinkering and racing.
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Before homologation specials circa 1964/65 none of the saloons were 'competitive' It never stopped anyone tinkering and racing.
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The best historic racing...

As a UK enthusiast & VSCC Junior member in the early seventies....the arrival of "formal" series like JCB, Lloyds & Scottish and the newly instigated HGPCA, did MUCH to raise the profile of pre & post-war single-seaters & sportscars...and put posters on my bedroom wall.

..such a shame that no footage exists of the first Historic race in Monaco '79, won by Neil Corner, threading the Mercedes W125 around the Principality...who could fail NOT to be hooked

IMO, the VSCC seriously lost its way in the mid-nineties, run by largely commercially inept, well-meaning enthusiasts, who hankered, for bygone times...and against a current backdrop, history was in danger of repeating itself, without the arrival of its "saviour" Paul Tunnicliffe..a gentleman I neither know or have met, but have huge respect for.

That said, the professionalism of car clubs, race promotion, event organisation and support has changed markedly....so too, has the event choice and the number of exciting categories which currently exist. IMO ALL of these and MANY more have contributed...

Goodwood
Monaco
Mille Miglia
Spa
Le Mans
Philip Island
Monterey
Peter Auto
MRL
HSCC
HERO
Relatively low-cost/preferential International travel, shipping/air-freight
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Changing collecting "trends"
Commercial sponsorship
Developments in excellent race preparation/specialists
No of talented, highly capable, very successful, cross-category, amateur competitors
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I can get my Alfa Giulia upped from 200-280 BHP for peanuts, a chip that plugs in will disable the ABS and traction control, about £300 . . . a weekend with the spanners should shed 2-300 kg of lard.

before homologation specials circa 1964/65 none of the saloons were 'competitive' It never stopped anyone tinkering and racing.
The trouble is that there are not that many series that encourage that approach and too many one make series.
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