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That was part of my thoughts for some of the aero differences, rear wing will be designed for the diffuser of each car. The massive tunnels of GTE cars seem to be much larger than anything hanging out the back of anything this side of a Super Trofeo car, and even those are still under the cars. Although the new Bentley is getting there it seems.
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Theoretically you could run more aero on a GT3 car still, but you'd end up with a car with horrendous BoP consistency that could never pass anything and is super damage sensitive so it's not really desirable to go that extreme. Ideally you probably want a bit more top end than a GTE car even while lapping a couple seconds slower.
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At Daytona GTLM is about 4 seconds a lap faster than GTD cars. But that is all from the infield section and the bus stop chicane. The oval part they are at least the same. I wonder how much closer the GTD cars would be if they had the same tires as the GTLM cars. Instead of 1:47's. I bet it would be 1:45s. Which is where the BMW M8's are right now.
I am thinking we'll get a full season GTLM grid of 8 cars. With GTD being between 11-13. Hopefully for VIR and Lime Rock you'll get some guest entries to give those fields something near the mid 20's in size. |
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GTE cars are more expensive, in every way, versus GT3 cars.
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I'd like to think so, because if they do cost and perform similarly, then what's the point of two different classes? SRO/ACO rivalry/hubris?
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I've not doubt GTE programs are more expensive to run, being factory-backed, but this is the first time I've seen anyone connected to racing infer that this may go for the actual cost of the cars(I find that the GTE manufacturers play that close to the chest, unsurprisingly). Could you provide some numbers for the sake of helping clear it up, or are you forbidden by contracts from doing so?
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A Gt3 car is much cheaper than a Gte in purchase price. Gte you start around 700k and can get to a million plus.
The reason the Ferrari Gt3 is so pricey, is because it's pretty much the Gte car. Most of this thread has things very backwards. Gt3 is closer to street car in every fashion, and modifications are of a much cheaper type than Gte |
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I go away for several months and the first page of the first thread I open, Formula Fox is arguing some questionable theory and telling pro racers they don't know their business. I guess I came back too soon.
(J/k, Mr. Fox ... we have had some interesting discussions ... but i guess just as leopards don't change their spots .... ) #SomeThingsDontChange |
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The thing is, it's VERY important I get this straightened out one way or another. It's a side detail, but it's actually a very big deal - if my information is wrong(very possible for the exact reasons I've stated - manufacturers keeping things close to the chest mudding things up means even my very reliable sources may have been fooled), then the major point of my earlier wall of text regarding GT Convergence changes in a small but significant way; GTE goes from having only one thing to offer to having nothing to offer, meaning it should be wiped out. Everything that's been said so far is showing exactly WHY this issue is so muddy as well. Even if I've got my class expenses wrong, several people here really are unaware of just how insane some GT3 cars actually are. (as a funny side note, the McLarens are actually one of the closest designs to their original roadgoing version due to how the roadcar was built, but it's one of the first cited by most as example of how different GT3 cars can be from their street car counterpart) |
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If it is VERY important, maybe asking random people on the internet, who you don't know, isn't the best way to do research.
No need to get snippy when you aren't getting the responses you desire. Maybe you can contact teams who run the cars it the manufacturers who sell them if you need budget numbers. |
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The whole thing going on now is that all this information I've posted DOES come from teams involved in the matter, but I'm well aware that they oftentimes have reason to be...less than honest in their replies, and they REALLY don't like giving out specific numbers to just anyone. So when someone else whom I know is connected, like Mike Hedlund, makes comments that disagree with what I've been told, it would be wise of me to pursue to see who's told them what and see what I can discern from it rather than to dismiss it. And since my only ever contact with the individual in question is through this forum... |
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The latest posts in this thread are the main reason why I've not participated or even read much in these forums anymore.
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