Jordan to race Frentzen? (Merged)

bobdrummond · 20 Jul 2002, 17:01 (Ref:338257)

... why doesn't EJ ask Frentzen? He's not doing anything tomorrow (or the rest of the season) ;-)

Mr V · 20 Jul 2002, 17:03 (Ref:338262)

That would be poetic justice i suppose! I reckon that Eddie Jordan wouldn't ask HH-F if HH-F was the only driver available to him, but even if he did, HH-F would tell him to

off!

Speedworx · 20 Jul 2002, 17:34 (Ref:338291)

Unlikely story of the day? Jordan to try and put Heinz-Harald Frentzen in its vacant car for tomorrow's French Grand Prix!

There would appear to be a number of substantial holes in the plot. First, following on from Giancarlo Fisichella's accident in Saturday untimed practice, the second Jordan has not actually set a qualifying time. Second, having known that he was not going to qualify for the race in an Arrows, Frentzen made plans for an early departure from the circuit in his own plane. And third, having parted company with Jordan in less than pally circumstances last year, the anticipated response from Frentzen might reasonably have been expected to be two fingers.

But the latest, we understand, is that Jordan is trying to engineer the situation and that Frentzen didn't actually take off.

Jordan might claim force majeure for not qualifying its second car. If it claimed, for instance, that Professor Sid Watkins had said he would rather not see Fisichella in qualifying but that a dispensation could have been sought for him to race - before Watkins quashed that idea on medical grounds - the team might seek the same dispensation for Frentzen.

Frentzen, of course, did take part in qualifying, albeit briefly. The German did win the Magny-Cours race in a Jordan three years ago. So the team could reasonably claim that neither he nor the car would be any embarrassment. Finally the question of Frentzen's willingness itself. Well, we're a bit stumped there, but let's just say that with Eddie Jordan involved, nothing is an impossibility...

source: www.autosport.com

This would be good, if it happens.

Sato san · 20 Jul 2002, 17:41 (Ref:338295)

have to say as unlikely as it is , i would never put anything past Eddie JORDAN.

Sato san · 20 Jul 2002, 17:46 (Ref:338299)

maybe the MODS can merge these 2 threads that are the same.?

Ajay · 20 Jul 2002, 17:46 (Ref:338300)

Three cheers to the Jordan team, i think HHF deserves a decent race seat.

Evilsenna · 20 Jul 2002, 17:56 (Ref:338306)

Where can I get a mpg or avi from fisi's crash?

LucaBadoer · 20 Jul 2002, 18:20 (Ref:338315)

Quote:

Originally posted by Evilsenna
Where can I get a mpg or avi from fisi's crash?

Have you tried http://www.f1onboard.com ?

R · 20 Jul 2002, 18:25 (Ref:338317)

According to this article from Crash.Net, it's as good as a done deal! Frentzen will start tomorrow's race from P20 for Jordan!

LucaBadoer · 20 Jul 2002, 18:30 (Ref:338319)

Oh - this is great!!!

"Motorsport's governing body, the FIA, has given its consent under the force majeure rule for Frentzen to race for the team from the back of the grid on Sunday.

An FIA statement explained that the deal could go ahead "provided that there are no contractual difficulties and provided that all the teams competing in the 2002 French GP agree in writing by 0915 on Sunday 21st July 2002."

Arrows can only stop the move on contractual grounds as it is not a competitor in the race. If it raises no objections and the other teams agree, the grid will be back up to 20 cars for tomorrow."

neilap · 20 Jul 2002, 18:54 (Ref:338328)

http://www.f1news.ru/f1files/index.shtml

the video is here. highlight the link and it will say what it is at the bottom of your browser. Yes it is russian. The crash looked bad. He walked out. These cars are amazing.

NiceGuyEddie · 20 Jul 2002, 19:09 (Ref:338334)

Quote:

Heinz-Harald Frentzen may drive for DHL Jordan Honda in tomorrow's French Grand Prix following a successful application from the team to the Stewards of the Meeting.

The FIA issued the following communication at 18.50 p.m. on 20 July 2002:

"The Stewards of the Meeting received a request from DHL Jordan Honda to substitute Heinz-Harald Frentzen as the Driver of car number 9 (formerly Giancarlo Fisichella), pursuant to Article 60 of the FIA 2002 Formula One Sporting Regulations.

The Stewards consider the circumstances to be force majeure and are satisifed as to the competency of Heinz-Harald Frentzen.

Provided that there are no contractual difficulties and provided all Teams competing in the 2002 French Grand Prix agree in writing by 09.15 a.m. on Sunday 21 July 2002, the Stewards permit the change of Driver, who will start from the back of the grid."

Got it from JordanF1.com

Apperantly, Eddie and Heinz are on speaking terms again...

Funny, in the same weekend Ricardo Zonta paid his former team a visit. Just one big drivers-reunion

M Coupe · 20 Jul 2002, 19:31 (Ref:338341)

I just read the original report on F1 ITV website and laughed. Thought this was the biggest joke of the season.

Can't believe this is actually going to happen. EJ must have been on his knees begging.

Why would HHF want to go back?

Sato san · 20 Jul 2002, 20:04 (Ref:338352)

Eddie Jordan know how to get his team some publicity doesnt he .

prakt · 20 Jul 2002, 21:00 (Ref:338370)

Just read this on the Swedish broad-casting TV4:"Heinz-Harald Frentzen said to the german television ARD that he don't want to race for Jordan tomorrow!

It is now possible that Ricardo Zonta, who's already on the circuit, maybe step in the car of Fisichella tomorrow. Or another option would be Dutchman Jos Verstappen, who was in talks with Jordan earlier this year."
And so, the drama continous...

NiceGuyEddie · 20 Jul 2002, 22:01 (Ref:338390)

Verstappen in talks with Jordan?? This year? Eddie isnt that desperate, is he?

If I hads to choose between someone who hasnt raced any car since last season, or a driver who is known to the team, somewhat of a talent, available and present, and who is starring in the Formula Nissan-series, it would be kinda easy...

But then again, maybe its best if Jordan just sit this one out and let Sato do the honors...

Mr V · 20 Jul 2002, 23:02 (Ref:338413)

Quote:

Originally posted by prakt

It is now possible that Ricardo Zonta, who's already on the circuit, maybe step in the car of Fisichella tomorrow. Or another option would be Dutchman Jos Verstappen,

This can't happen as neither driver took part in todays qualifying session. The only reason HH-F could (if he actually wants to!) race for Jordan is because he took part in todays qualifying session!

DNQ · 20 Jul 2002, 23:52 (Ref:338455)

Stranger things have happened...
Article stolen from Autosport

Quote:

Jordan to race Frentzen?

Team in bizarre bid to take on HHF
Frentzen back at Jordan? Very possibly...

Heinz-Harald Frentzen is poised to make a surprise return to the Jordan team for tomorrow's French Grand Prix.

With Arrows purposefully not qualifying for the Magny-Cours race as its shareholder troubles rumble on, Frentzen is free to replace Giancarlo Fisichella for a one-off deal after the Italian was ruled out of racing by a big practice shunt today.

Frentzen was sacked by Jordan in the middle of last year, and despite the fact he was angered by the way he was treated by the team, the bizarre return has a realistic chance of happening.

Motorsport's governing body, the FIA, has given its consent under the force majeure rule for Frentzen to race for the team from the back of the grid on Sunday.

An FIA statement explained that the deal could go ahead "provided that there are no contractual difficulties and provided that all the teams competing in the 2002 French GP agree in writing by 0915 on Sunday 21st July 2002."

Arrows can only stop the move on contractual grounds as it is not a competitor in the race. If it raises no objections and the other teams agree, the grid will be back up to 20 cars for tomorrow.

This is turning out to be one weird French GP...

Rambo · 20 Jul 2002, 23:55 (Ref:338457)

What, after their falling out? I doubt it.

kristof14 · 20 Jul 2002, 23:58 (Ref:338459)

aparenttly he'll be starting from P20 tomorrow as long as all the other teams give written agreement by 9:15am, the only way Arrows can prevent him from racing is if there is a clause in his contract. however i see it unlikely that Arrows would object as i'm sure they want there drivers to get as much driving done as possible whilst the team is in turmoil so that when they do return they don't have 2 drivers who haven't been driving for a while!

DNQ · 21 Jul 2002, 00:00 (Ref:338460)

Geewhiz...it just gets weirder and weirder.
This is from F1-Live

Quote:

rrows driver Heinz-Harald Frentzen will replace Giancarlo Fisichella of Jordan in Sunday's French Formula 1 Grand Prix after all the teams agreed, the International Automobile Fedestration (FIA) has announced. More than five hours after the finish of Saturday's qualifying the FIA said they had approved a request from Jordan to allow Frentzen to replace the injured Fisichella, assuming there were no contractual difficulties and all teams agreed by Sunday morning.

Fisichella was hurt after crashing at more than 200kph in the morning's final free practice session. The Italian was taken to a hospital in nearby Nevers for a medical examination which revealed no damage, according to the Jordan team, but a FIA medical delegate advised Fisichella to rest.

The stewards of the French race said that Fisichella's accident was enough of an exceptional circumstance to allow him to be substituted by Frentzen.

Arrows, meanwhile, involved in a financial crisis, made just one attempt to post a qualifying time with Frentzen and teammate Enrique Bernodli finishing outside the 107 percent limit of the leader, Juan Pablo Montoya of Williams. Therefore the Arrows drivers did not officially qualify for the race but its participation kept it eligible for financial benefits of FIA.

Frentzen clocked 1:18.497 while Fisichella's morning practice time was good enough for 15th in that session at 1:14.949.

Frentzen drove for the Jordan team between 1999 and 2001 and won two Grand Prix races for them, including the 1999 French Grand Prix. However he was fired by the team just before the 2001 German Grand Prix and finished 2001 with the Prost team, which went out of business earlier this year.

Valve Bounce · 21 Jul 2002, 00:40 (Ref:338478)

I wonder if HHF received a Fax tellimg him he was with Jordan again?

Wouldn't it be funny if HHF beached the car on the first lap.

I mean this arrangement would even make Murray blink

Valve

f1manoz · 21 Jul 2002, 02:03 (Ref:338504)

I woke up and read this and almost spat my coffee onto the screen!!!

I would say stranger things have happened, but surely nothing can beat this?!?!?

Valve Bounce · 21 Jul 2002, 03:21 (Ref:338520)

Apparently, HHF has not agreed to this deal yet - maybe he'll fax a reply to Eddie.

or maybe he'll tell him to get faxed.

Valve

Jack racer · 21 Jul 2002, 06:43 (Ref:338534)

Valve you smoke some serous ****, I like it.

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